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    A guy named Virgil Griffith did a recent study of SAT scores vs. bands people listen to. He is a former computer hacker with mad math skillz and put together this data.

    Lil Wayne and Beethoven bookend the chart

    system of a down, and Outkast seem to have a broad range of listeners.


    what is the most shocking on this list is Counting Crows....huh?
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    interesting to see that the rage against the machine crowd isn't any different from the grateful dead crowd

    no danzig though......
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    no Dio?


    WTF?
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    I think this data is off because the kids listening to Beethoven, most likley play an instrument. Which means that they have an overall better education (your not playing the french horn at PS 132 in El Bronx), have a much better grasp of math, and have been exposed to latin, and possess the discipline to learn a specific skill, all of which would trend their respective SAT scores higher than the average kid who listens to that ear cancer know as Rap and has used his/her spare time to master Playstation.
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    It's an interesting survey, but I'm not sure what to make of it:
    - One could argue that the higher you score on the SAT, the more obedience to the educational system you have.
    - One could also note that those who preferred a genre, which to me suggests they are not music enthusiasts, to an artist ranked consistently low. (I think at the age of SAT-taking, most people have definite favorite artists. Am I wrong?)
    - It's interesting to note that among those who preferred genres, Rap ranked quite high. Rap is the most verbal of music and often more like poetry than music. Country ranked even higher, and that's also very verbal. But, classic rock, which ranked the highest -- what does that tell us? That may suggest that kids who follow their parents tastes do the best job of living up to their parents' expectations.
    - Of course, we also need to keep in mind that the brain of adolescents are still developing when they take the SAT, so the SAT is only a very rough snapshot that very often doesn't reflect a person's potential.

    It would be interesting to know how large a sample Giffiths used.

    At any rate, I think there are as many possible interpretations to this data as there are people.
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    He's "off the charts." :D
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    Goes without saying....:rocker:
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    Good points. I tend to agree with you on this one. There has to be a cultural component to this that has been omitted.
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    Led Zep beats the Beatles!

    I KNEW IT!

    WTF with the Doors? I always thought their stuff was cerebral and I would havbe guessed Pink Floyd would have been much higher...oh...maybe that's the problem....:(
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    Where were Mozart, Miles Davis, Coltrane, Jeff BEck,and on and on.
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    Not to mention Vivaldi, Bach (BACH!), Woody Guthrie, and I saw NO big bands like Count Basie, Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington, etc. And what about non-western stuff? Are there no Asian musicians or Spanish ones?

    Maybe the creators of this study will expand it...I don't understand how this worked out the way it did. I've said that about a lot of things, though, you know?
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    Most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.

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