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  1. patsfan13

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    What a f'in moron. He must be suffering from Alzheimer's.
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    I think he's right on target..the US has posed more of a world threat to peace
    than many think..and name calling won't change that...
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    And the left wonders why they lose election after election....
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    The whole Murtha situation is captivating. Its so fun to watch a bunch of chickenhawks explain exactly what the military can and can't accomplish to a guy who's been there and done that.
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    Did you read the op-ed I posted? Are you saying Sgt. Seavey and Wade Zirkle are chickenhawks? Do you think patsfan13 is a chickenhawk, what about others who have served and disagree with Murtha, are they also chickenhawks? Is anyone not against the Iraq war a chickenhawk is your eyes?
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    I referenced Murtha's entire experience since's he's come out against the war, not just one biased article. I thought that was pretty clear when I said

    "The whole Murtha situation."

    btw nice try at straw-manning me into flaming another poster here. Are you trying to get me banned too?
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    Biased? It was by a wounded soldier who was actually in Iraq, I guess that doesn't mean sh!t because he disagrees with you.
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    I'll say this for Murtha - he got way ahead of the curve. His comments when he first came out against the war heralded a sea change that marks the boundaries of debate today. He took a chance, and we will see which way it works (for or against him) in November.

    I don't think the troops' morale needs to be low, for us to want to bring them home. It's a mistake to characterize the troops' morale one way or another with no data backing up what you say.

    Beyond that, we cannot make the mistake of thinking the troops' morale is the deciding factor in a war situation. Their morale is a necessary but not sufficient condition for the war to be successful.

    In other words, if they say "let us finish the job," that's not the sole determinant of staying in-country or not.

    Don't even talk to me about Moran, by the way ;)

    PFnV
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    Good to see the GOP wasting more money in this crucial election year.

    The dumb bimbo can't even get her facts straight.

    :rolleyes:
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    The 'chickenhawk' argument is pure BS. I served in the military so I feel free to comment. Beyond that elected reps (military experience or not' have a right to their opinion as much as anyone else (that is one of the reason that those of us witha military background served). I don't recall the chickenhawk argument being used by the Left when the draft dodger Clinton was sending troops into SOmolia or Bosnia or Haiti.

    Murtha is a scumbag.
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    Absolut 100% fact.

    Another lefty ignores his comrades comments about a soldier who disagrees with them.
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    I just published this comment* to a number of blogs dedicated to Murtha's speech in Miami.

    I thought you may be interested in the subject matter.

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    *
    Looking at the large number of blog posts I've placed throughout the blogsphere in the last 2 weeks, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking they look like spam.

    My apologies to all.

    Some interesting things happened today. I received an email response from Bill Pasco(e) of Diana Irey's campaign against John Murtha for the 12th District of Pennsylvania seat in the House of Representatives.

    In responding Mr. Pascoe's email, I found it useful to CC that response to him to Elizabeth Baier and her editor Ms. Rosenhause (Managing Editor Sun-Sentinel).

    The topic of those emails was "Rovian Architecture Unplugged". If you are interested to learn more, feel free to write them.

    Make "Rovian Architechure Unplugged" your subject heading so they know what your inquiry is about.

    Their email addresses:

    Bill Pascoe phone: (724) 258-2300

    bill@irey.com

    Elizabeth Baier

    ebaier@sun-sentinel.com

    Sharon Rosenhause

    srosenhause@sun-sentinel.com

    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
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    Since when does one's military experience qualify them as someone who can comment?? Feel free to comment all you want, however you hold no more water from your experience than anyone else. There are a lot of us who do not and never have believed in the Iraq war; it is based on false intelligence, lies and a hidden agenda. Don't come back with the liberation of 24 million people from a brutal dictator, that means jack ****.

    Calling Clinton a draft dodger is ok, but don't forget your draft dodging heroes Cheney, Rove and the favorite son George Bush. When troops were sent to Somalia, Bosnia and Haiti here are some rather startling statistics:

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030402-iraq06.htm
    There were no U.S. combat fatalities in Bosnia or Kosovo

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-20-cover-usat_x.htm
    CASUALTIES FROM OTHER U.S. OPERATIONS
    Action Years Combat deaths Wounded
    Grenada 1983 19 119
    Panama 1989 23 324
    Somalia 1992-94 43 153
    Haiti 1994-96 4 3
    Afghanistan 2002-03 76 192

    By Julie Snider and Quin Tian, USA TODAY; Sources: Defense Department, Center for Defense Information, military historian Al Nofi.

    To argue what Clinton does and compare it what has happened in Iraq, is very poor to say the least and nothing more than a rather trite right wing talking point. 47 deaths do not come close to the 2500+ that have occured in Iraq(btw some think it is much higher due to some very creative bookkeeping). Put the blame where it belongs squarely on the draft dodging and favorite son administration that we are forced to live with.
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    There are Veterans who have "been there and done that" all over this country, they shake their heads an laugh at this clown Murtha, they know what he is up too, he is looking for "HEADLINES" he is using the War to climb the ladder, but it is backfiring on him, his days are numbered he fade away another victim of the bow legged grinning mumbling cowboy from Texas.
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    Thanks Rush. Now note that this article has been retracted. F'in morons can't check their facts.
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    Its pure BS, much like your service to this country story.
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    Link please?
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    Here and here
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    Thanks for the links. It sounds as if they "misinterpeted" , not misquoted Murtha's comments interesting, and editorial decision perhaps?
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    Misinterpreted as in completely took out of context. He was referring to the perception that other nations share, that we are the threat.

    This is what the right wing media does. They spin and spin and hope noone notices how deceptive they are being in attacking their adversaries.

    The adversary in this case happens to be a war hero. You should apologize for your propagation of misinformation in smearing the man who fought his whole life for a better america.
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    Why have the "new democrats" lost so many elections.

    Jessie Jackoff is going to conduct another "recount".

    Al Gore talks to his mirror and calls himself "Mr President".

    John Fonda Kerry wears his medals when he watches TV.

    Uncle Teddy won't let reporters watch him when he goes "sailing" because he always falls off the dock.

    Auntie Pelosi vomits when she sees a "dog leash".

    Cynthia McKinney called Ann Coulter a "skinny white mother f-cking ho"

    Where did all these whack job liberal saps come from.
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    From your mind!
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    Do you have a link to the complete transcript so I can understand the context.
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    Despite an email warning to Mr. Pasco to contact Sharon Rosenhause, Managing Editor at the Sun-Sentinel, irey.com continues to maintain this page.

    "Is Murtha channeling Marty McFly? Congressman’s June 27 press release magically includes information from … June 28?"

    http://www.irey.com/news/Read.aspx?Id=61

    In my email exchange with Mr. Pasco yesterday he attempted to float this clever headline with me in an email. I responded to him with this:


    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    If you really want to follow this "rapid crash journalism" course of action of yours, let me assist you in doing so properly. This is John Murtha's original press release issued by Cindy Abram on June 27th.

    http://theinfozone.net/PDFfiles/MurthaPressRelease.pdf
    ...
    You can understand why Cindy Abram updated Mr. Murtha's press release from the 27th now, I presume. After all, most would conclude that the Sun-Sentinel, who created this mess to start with, was in a better position to fix what Elizabeth Baier broke than theinfozone.net.

    Please note: Ms. Baier as well as her editor Ms. Rosenhause are recipients of this email.

    Mr Pasco(sic), perhaps they will be gracious enough to assist you towards a more lucid understanding of your "Marty McFly" insight.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Apparently Mr. Bill Pascoe puts more faith in continuing his slander strategy than makes sense.

    Ms Rosenhause has her own special part in this. The Sun-Sentinel has removed their retraction ... the correction that rewrote the "the shot heard around the world" first paragraph. The Sun-Sentinel has suddenly placed it in their paid archives, removing it from public domain. The only way you will find the unethical rewrite (still in public domain) is through google cache. You may wish to contact her as well.

    For the sake of clarity, inquiries regarding THIS turn of events should include the Subject Line: Mr. Bill

    Bill Pascoe
    bill@irey.com
    phone: (724) 258-2300

    Sharon Rosenhause
    srosenhause@sun-sentinel.com
    phone: (954) 425-1200


    Cliff Hancuff
    The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too
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    How do you figure? I don't agree with Murtha and now my service is a story? How did you get that?
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    Oreilly had to apologize .
    http://mediamatters.org/items/200606290008

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