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  1. cstjohn17

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    I know, I know he only plays two downs but maybe the Patriots could draft Cody then Wilfork (sign and trade). There are a lots of holes and we could use the draft picks to reload.
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    Why does everyone want to trade VW so bad?
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    I like MayoClinic's suggestion of a possible D-Line of Wilfork - Cody - Warren. That is an absolutely dominant line physically. It would definitely free up the LB's to be able to make more plays and would fill the void left by Seymour.

    If Wilfork trimmed down a little and got in better shape I think it could work. That D-Line would be great against the run and would demand a lot of blockers which could free up the LB's to shoot the gaps and blitz a la what the Ravens did to us yesterday.
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    I don't see it working with that unit, just too fat and slow.

    By the end of games those guys would be almost dead, personally I wouldn't want to be the EMT who had to carry their dead bodies off the frozen tundra... but I digress, unless a team came out and said "We are going to run the ball now', kinda like the Ravens did yesterday then that sort of line has no utlity.

    My reason for suggesting a trade is only for value, if Cody can do 80% of what Wilfork can do and the Patriots could get a pick in the range of 25-50 for Wilfork then you could end up with a starting guard or 3rd WR or rotational OLB plus 80% of Wilfork.

    Alternatively trade Wilfork for Peppers.
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    there are more important positions to worry about
    if we can sign wilfork keep him, i dont think pat fans realize how important he is, how many of you wish we had a asante samuel on the team this year?

    plus we just wasted.....err i mean used a pick on brace we should at least see how that works out plus myron pryor surprised us all this year
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    Couldn't you just sign Wilfork (getting 100% of him) and use pick #22 on a OG or WR or OLB (getting a better player than you could get in the 25-50 range)? Unless you are suggesting that Wilfork is cost-prohibitive, I'm missing your point.
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    I want to sign a know player like Vince and agree with you.
    Cody's weigh scares me. If he somehow gains a few lbs. he could be a lot slower and sluggish in pros' but I may be wrong. I'd pass on him.
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    Sure but this is my delusional take... how is this for crazy, hold on.

    Franchise Wilfork and then trade him for Peppers
    Trade Brady for a 2010 first rounder, 2011 first and second rounders plus Patrick Willis.
    Sign Richard Marshall and Leigh Bodden at CB
    Draft Clausen, Cody, Best, Jon Asamoah, Arrelious Benn
    Sign Fasano at TE
    Sign Pennington at QB

    Defensive starters
    DLine - Warren, Cody, Pryor (subs Wright, Brace)
    LB - Peppers, Willis, Mayo, TBC (subs Woods, Guyton, Selvie, Alexander)
    CB?S - Bodden, Marshall, Merriweather, Sanders (subs Butler, Whilhite, Wheatley, McGowan, Chung)

    Offensive Starters
    QB Clausen, Hoyer, Pennington
    RB Maroney, Taylor, Best, Morris
    OLine Vollmer, Mankins, Koppen, Asamoah, Light (subs Kaczur, LeVoir, Ohrnberger, Connolly)
    WR - Moss, Aiken, Edelman, Benn
    TE - Fasano, Baker

    Enter 2011 with 3 first round picks and two 2nd rounders.
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    Yep, it's crazy. :)
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    That is the best DWToys imitation I have ever seen. :D

    How about we trade our top 4 picks for 53 6th and 7th round picks, and replace our entire roster?
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    Mt. Cody falling, Good.
    Maybe some other team will be duped into drafting his fat ***** right in front of us. Leaving another player that the Pats actually need on the board. Like a DE or an OLB.

    The last thing they need is another NT, when there is a gaping hole at RDE. There was no fear of Green at all, alowing th OL to double VW all the time.

    It doesn't matter if they bring in the best NT of all time. If there is no presence at RDE and OLB, the opposition can just double/ triple him all day long.
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    Points for originality, except you half-cooked the meal.

    Pennington can't reach Moss (which is more than a little ironic) and Moss will be done by the time Clausen is ready. Moss needs to go.

    This will need to be a strong running team until Clausen takes over, so Light and Koppen need to be upgraded.

    Add 2 more young receivers (at least one a big red zone target) and you've got something brewing. Not sure what, but it is something.
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    That alignment would work, only if the Patriots got a big elephant type backer, ala Willie to set the edge on running plays.

    Fortunately their are quite a few of those elephant type backers available in this draft. The three I like best are:

    Dunlap (1st/2nd round depending on how teams view the DUI incident)
    Jorgenson BYU (4th round plus)
    Carrington Arkansas State (6th round plus)

    All possess the size vs.the run, can rush the passer and could play some coverage,very limited in coverage.
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    Who says that Cody is falling?
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    If we draft Cody and resign Wilfork, we can slide big Vince over and use that OLB spot as an elephant backer position. This alignment maximizes our ability to shut down the run and depending on the elephant backer or substitute for third and long, still allow us to generate pressure on the QB.
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    I see him anywhere from 20-40 on the 'expert' draft boards.
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    Why would you do that? 3 slow and 1 really slow lineman, teams would just spread the field. Typically you see two big fat guts and then you set the edges with regular size pass rushers (see the Vikings).
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    Cody has boom or bust written all over him. IMO. if he is there in the 2nd round sure but not the first.
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    Let's get off the glue shall we!!! :D
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    I would say more bust and less boom. What he can do is pretty obvious. Being dominate at one thing can be beneficial to a team, but for a high round pick you want versatility. I would say he's more of a 3rd round pick, but some team will become infatuated with his size and if he does anything good at the combine it would help get him into the 2nd maybe 1st.
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    I would take Pennington as our backup in a heartbeat. Veteran who knows how to manage the game, has great accuracy, and just wants to win. He's a class act.

    He doesn't have the greatest arm strength but that is overblown. Great accuracy and good decision making is most important IMO, and he has both of those.
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    Did he just suggest trading Brady for CHAD PENNINGTON!
    Seriously... lay off the drugs dude.

    As for Cody, he's not going to be an upgrade over Wilfork.
    Wilfork is a proven stud. That's a guy you keep. The NT is the bedrock of the defense.

    The Pats need a defensive end to replace Seymour, not another NT that they need to train up. Brace is already the designated 'understudy' at NT and Pryor might even be ahed of him on that understudy list.
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    I'm not against drafting Cody, but not if it means replacing Wilfork, that's a giant down grade that will set the defense back 2-3 years.

    CP
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    Your "bedrock" NT got blown off the ball on the first play of the game.

    Why is Mt. Cody better than Wilfork, because Mt.Cody does not get blown off the ball by lowly double teams.
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    I agree. I would feel much better with Pennington as a backup to Brady.
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    No presence at RDE, Green is a good role player. He cannot hold up as a starter at that position. With no concern for that position, the offense can focus on removing the best player from the play.

    This team needs a DE and an OG. Those are the two greatest need right now. With a young OLB right behind them.
    If they address one or two of those during FA and/or Wilfork walks, then I may entertain another high pick for a NT.

    In the mean time I think you should start saving up some money. You've got about 3 months to save enough money to buy a new TV. You're going to need one when you throw yours out the window when the Pats pass on Cody.
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    I think Washington is changing to a 3-4 next season, so the opportunities for Wilfork keep opening up. I remember when there were only a few teams playing that formation.

    Besides Terrence Cody, what about Dan Williams? Problem. If you don't draft him in the first round, he won't last long enough in the second round. Again, nose tackles are in demand now.
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    Denver - from Chicago^ (7-9)
    Miami (7-9)
    San Francisco (8-8)
    San Francisco - from Carolina^ (8-8)
    Pittsburgh (9-7)
    Atlanta^ (9-7)

    There are a ton of teams picking between ten and our pick that could grab him. I doubt he'll fall to 22.
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    I expect both Cody and Williams to be gone in the top 20.
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    You mean the guy who has never taken a snap in the NFL?

    :rolleyes:

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