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  1. BradyisGod

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    Didn't see this posted. I don't understand our media's continued attack on this guy...

    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2008/02/24/mr_sunshine/

    Oh, and my response...

    Doug,

    What a boring, unoriginal article on Bill Belichick. I wonder what the Globe is actually doing these days if this is considered worthy of being printed. But then again, I guess it is an article meant to perpetuate the idea that the media loves to put forward that people should kiss the collective media's butt. I just don't understand the arrogance that the globe, ESPN and many of the other publications that actually believe the tripe that you just spewed.

    I could spend time debunking the majority of your article, for example, in your second paragraph you state that at least Cheers and Blue Man Group were entertaining for a time, yet you won't acknowledge that 3 Super Bowls is a pretty entertaining set of circumstances. However, I realize based on the tone of your article that you are just another smug writer who plans on blowing off this feedback as that of a "crazed sports fan". So enjoy your ignorance and false confidence in the fact that what you do really matters to the larger public. I'm sure it will make you sleep better.
     
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    This article infuriated me. I'm gonna copy and paste it so that people dont have to go to the Globes website.:mad:
     
  3. PatsFanJess

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    Mr. Sunshine
    THE SUPER BOWL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE DEFINING MOMENT FOR BILL BELICHICK. SADLY, IT WAS.



    By Doug Most
    February 24, 2008
    It's time Bill Belichick grew up. We can joke about the hoodie. And we get the whole secrecy thing (even if we don't buy it) - that the less we share, the less our opponents know about us. And, for a while, his interview shtick was borderline comical: the way he would answer questions without ever answering them, leaving reporters and fans grasping for any sliver of insight into how he feels, how his players played, or what he thought of the other team.

    more stories like thisBut there comes a time when even the best acts grow tiresome. Three words: Blue Man Group. Quirky, funny, bizarre when it started, now it's The Show That Won't Die; it's Cheers in Season 11.

    The only difference is that at least Blue Man and Cheers had their day and were entertaining for a time. The only reason Boston sports fans have put up with Belichick's act is because he's won, not because they like him. But now it's been three years since his last championship, and, the Spygate scandal aside, his sourpuss act is starting to feel like the nauseating will-they-or-won't-they bedroom drama between Sam and Diane. Enough already.

    Go watch Doc Rivers stand outside the locker room after a hard Celtics loss and talk eloquently about Ray Allen's shooting struggles and Kevin Garnett's injury. Sure has hurt the Celtics this year having Rivers be so forthcoming. Or listen to Red Sox manager Terry Francona this spring rave about how excited he is about Jacoby Ellsbury or Clay Buchholz and about keeping Jason Varitek fresh for the long season. Too bad he keeps helping the Yankees with his reports; they certainly have capitalized the last few years with all that inside dope.

    Understandably, it's the one part of the job every coach or manager hates, especially after losing a game: having his decisions over-analyzed and second-guessed by every sports columnist, talk-radio loudmouth, and Joe from Quincy. But in this town, where sports falls right after breathing and right before food on the daily list of priorities, it's a part of the job every manager has to embrace.

    Here, the fans make the games, the fans drive the excitement level, the fans generate the buzz before and after each event. And those fans deserve better than "Well, we're disappointed," which is all Belichick could muster when asked by Fox's Chris Myers what he could tell his team after its shocking 17-14 Super Bowl loss.

    After the Red Sox blew their lead against the Yankees in Game Seven of the 2003 American League Championship Series and sent their fans home bleary and teary, Sox manager Grady Little had to do an obligatory interview for reporters on deadline. In his folksy, grandfatherly way, he explained why he did what he did with sincerity and in detail.
    "Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long, and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring in from that bullpen," Little said. "Pedro wanted to stay in there. He wanted to get the job done, just as he has many times for us all season long." Later, Little took the blame for the loss himself, saying, "I'm thankful that it's me instead of one of my players. . . . If we don't win the World Series, which is the definition of winning here, somebody's got to be that man, and I'm just glad it's me instead."

    more stories like this. Of course, fans and writers and sports-radio hosts ripped Little for not taking the ball from his ace, a decision that ultimately cost the manager his job. But nobody can say that when his team lost its biggest game in a devastating way that he didn't manage to handle himself with dignity and sportsmanship - pretty much the opposite of how Belichick handled himself after the Super Bowl, sprinting off the field with time still left on the clock, barely looking Myers in the eye during their postgame interview, never mentioning the Giants' tremendous play, and ignoring his own blunder to choose against kicking a field goal at a critical point in a low-scoring game.

    A lot of classy coaches have passed through Boston: K.C. Jones. Joe Morgan. Raymond Berry. But even with all his success, Belichick will never make that cut. Instead, he's going the way of Rick Pitino, John McNamara, and Bill Parcells.

    There has been talk lately of comparing the Patriots of this decade to the Yankees of the late 1990s, two teams that kept on winning and that fans around the country eventually turned on because they got tired of seeing the same team on top. But it's a flawed argument. The Yankees had Joe Torre leading them, as classy as they come and impossible to hate.

    The Patriots? Right now, a lot of football fans out there are happy New England lost the Super Bowl. And it's because of one guy.
     
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    The Globe, ESPN and the rest of them know that the Pats sell. Any article written on the Patriots and/or Belichick, whether positive or negative attracts a lot of attention.
     
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    Of course, youre exactly right. But I didnt appreciate how he said Pats fans "only like him because he wins...not bc they like him." In that case, this guy needs to speak for himself, not for all Pats fans. Because thats not the truth. Sorry I didnt put the article in quotes box. oops.
     
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    I wrote him a note:

    Do you even read your own newspaper?

    There is so much more to be gleaned about Bill Belichick over the years from Globe reporters than by scouring the national news for tidbits from people that know very little about the man.

    I really don't understand why you would take this approach to research this when the Patriots home base is Boston, and your paper is the, well, Boston Globe.

    Over the years, writers from Boston have written in depths studies of the man, whether they have been of the negative variety--Borges who--let's be honest--clashed with Belichick because of the way Bill left the Jets--or Michael Holley, who has in depth information on Belichick and has written a book about him.

    There is so much more information locally (in your own offices!) than by taking a cursory and superficial sketch of the man.

    If the point of the article was showing us how people feel about him nationally, we already know. But where's the depth in that? Isn't a reporter's job to get to the bottom of things? To uncover the truth?

    Yeesh.
     
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    The reason I wrote that response to him is because he looks nationally at Gary Myers, or cares what other fans think of a guy that has beaten their teams brains in for almost a decade.

    Why not look locally? Belichick is on the radio giving information every Monday during the season. He has given people like Holley access to the team's inner-workings. Patriots fans DO KNOW a lot about Belichick and his team. Maybe we're not getting it all from the Globe, but that's not an argument. That's whining.

    In point of fact, if Most had read Glasper's work, as well as Reiss's, and in earlier times, Holley's, he'd have his in depth info. He doesn't even read his own newspaper.
     
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    WTF is Doug Most...some new mediot wannabe?

    Gotta love this line:

    "A lot of classy coaches have passed through Boston: K.C. Jones. Joe Morgan. Raymond Berry. But even with all his success, Belichick will never make that cut. Instead, he's going the way of Rick Pitino, John McNamara, and Bill Parcells."

    The obvious thing Bill had in common with neither the classy or the classless is THREE FREAKIN' WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS AND FOUR TRIPS TO THE BIG DANCE IN FOUR YEARS YOU IMBECILE.

    This moron is still trying to sell the media's role as giving the fans what they want. Even Felger debunked that eons ago. We don't care about your job or sound bites or minute details on every snap or decision - WE JUST WANT A COACH WHO PUTS THIS TEAM IN A POSITION TO WIN NUMBNUTS...

    I guess who Doug Most is is the poster boy for what is wrong with the Boston Sports media. They think what they think - even if we are cluless as to who they are - matters to fans on a par with what teams actually think or do. They can't generally tell us what this team thinks because they have alienated them to such an extent. And we know what they've done and we don't really care how ungracious some mediot perceived them to be in the process.

    I swear there is something in the water here. Maybe it was Will pissing in it for years...
     
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    does this idiot think that if the pats were 5-11 that anyone would care about belichick ? the reason non pats fans hate the pats and belichick is because of their success. when belichick dissed the jets and came to the pats, ny jet fan (espn) really didn't put up too much of a squawk. with the pats success came criticism from jet fan (espn) of what bb would wear or the handshake or any number of inane, meaningless things they could come up with to denegrate bb and the pats. the one thing they could never degrade was the pats success. with cameragate, we now see what jet fan's (espn) real agenda is. they are a woman scorned and they refuse to print the whole truth. they just want to bring the pats and bb down. this is definitely boston v.ny. why do you think there is no talk of asterisks next to those steroid induced yankee world series wins. unfortunately the rest of the media, and that includes those douches at the globe and herald, are like sheep and they're all on the bandwagon now. anyone who thinks the media doesn't try to form public opinion is blind.


    i can only hope bb continues to f with those a holes and i hope they continue to complain. the only ones listening are the sheep.
     
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    Per Wikipedia:

    Doug Most (born 1968) is the editor of The Boston Globe Magazine, a position he has held since October 2003.


    Career & Achievements
    Most, who was born in Boston, helped reinvent the Globe Magazine, giving it a glossier, more stylized look. In 1998 he received the Journalist of the Year Award from the New Jersey Press Association, primarily for his coverage of the Amy Grossberg-Brian Peterson baby-killing case. He would later write a book about the crime, Always in Our Hearts (1999).

    Most also teaches a magazine journalism class at Boston University.

    --------------

    His most recent project is to undertake an effort that could only be aimed at killing access to the New England Patriots for Globe beat reporters so the poor hacks working at the Herald won't feel so isolated... There may be a second book in this for him entitled "Always Been a Pain in Our Collective Asses" (2008)...
     
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    Why in the world would the Globe hire the old Nuggets coach to write for their magazine?


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    His customer base is NY, he is a prof at BU, NY North.
     
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    Err, no.

    He writes for the Boston Globe.

    40% of BU students come from Mass.
    15% from NY State.
     
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    Great so I actually sent a letter thanking the Globe for having a reporter such as Reiss who has gotten access to the stories and truly told them like it is with no bias and then this piece of **** comes out with this crap??? And I think the comments go straight to the editor so if he is the editor then my letter should never have been addressed to the Globe. I am SO SO SO SICK of the media...and thanks to PatsfanJess for posting that article so I didn't have to click on his stupid article for hits.
     
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    Below is my (rather lengthy) response;

    Mr Most,

    You kept using the pronoun "We" in you article "Mr Sunshine" but I do not understand who you believe you are speaking for. "We" as in Patriots nation back Bill Belichik more than we ever have. So what "we" are you referring to? It better not be the media "we" because the media is NOT supposed to have a public opinion of Belichik.

    I have to tell you that you are way, WAY off on your assertions of the Patriots fans' feelings of Bill Belichik. We love the man and the coach. Just go to any of the Patriot fan websites and you'll understand he is overwhelmingly supported by Patriot Nation.

    I somehow get the feeling you are trying to use your position to influence opinion. I know for a fact the national media is trying to bring Bill Belichik down. Why else would we be reading about Bill's espionage practices yet see nothing about all the coaches claims that this stuff has been practiced across the league for decades? Why isn't YOUR paper attempting to shed light on the truth in this matter rather than just trying to uncover Belichik's video taping practices?

    I must tell you that the media's opinion of Bill Belichik is irelevant. The media has no right to try to ruin Belichik's career and the media has no right to be pissed off because Belichik won't tell them squat. The fact of the matter is that's just too bad. Accept it and leave the man alone.

    I have never in my 49 years ever seen the media deliberately attempt to bring a coach down because he preferred to say, "That's (spygate) behind us now...we've moved on, our focus is on the Charger's". I'll be honest with you, that answer is fine if that is all he wanted share with the media. Remember, that media has no right to know any more than Belichik was willing to share. As a matter of fact, the only right the media has to accept what they get and move on.

    I want you to assure me that no one on the Boston Globe staff is deliberately attempting to publicize their feeling towards Bill Belichik to influence their readers. Your paper SHOULD reflect the consensus of Patriot Nation, not that of the Boston Globe sports writers.

    The vast majority of New England Patriot fans LOVE Bill Belichik. Why doesn't your paper write about that? Your article reflected just YOUR opinion, and doesn't come close to reflecting the opinion of Patriot fans. So how is it that you feel YOUR opinion is more important than the that of the New England Patriot fans?

    Now let's see if you have the courage to respond to the points I have made.


    It is so frustrating to be powerless over the lies being written about our coach. It seems there is nothing we can do but let these guys try to run Bill Belichik out of town.

    What is in the arrogant, pompous heads of our own sports writers that they feel they have the right to do this?
     
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    I'm actually surprised the Globe printed that.

    What a shame.
     
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    It's a joke, not based on any facts but rather perception. If you can't guess, I graduated from another school in the area. In actuality this piece tells us more about this writer than it does BB.
     
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    That was a great response. We need to inundate this guy with responses about our TRUE feelings for our coach, not what the media wants us to feel for him.
    What a disgusting article.
     
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    No Jersey Selected

    The Herald receives a lot of flak, and justifiably so, from this board; but were it not for Reiss and, to a lesser extent, Gaspar, then the bow-tied bum-kissers of Morrissey Boulevard, owned by the New York Crimes, would be the lead float in the BB-bashing parade. This latest piece of "journalism" is just another example of the glob's hatred for the HC of the NEP.

    I'm actually surprised that this wasn't mentioned by Doug Least, but I feel that one of the main reasons that BB is despised by the media (esp. the national version), is his refusal to kiss St. Tony Dungheap's *****, like his incompetant buddies Sperm Edwards and LoveHim Smith do, even at the cost of victory. And also like his partner in collusion, Jeff the Fisher king.
     
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    Agreed. It seemed like the writer was trying to use the fans to speak for himself. "The fans" want Belichick to give better press conferences; he owes it to us. Um... no.
     
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