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Who will be the most important addition to the team?

Poll closed Aug 19, 2007.
  1. Moss

    11.4%
  2. AD

    72.2%
  3. Welker

    15.2%
  4. Stallworth

    1.3%
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  1. PATSNUTme

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    Moss has certainly recieved most of the hype since the trade and during the pre-season. He certainly will be a valuable addition to the team if he becomes a "patriot type player".

    Welker and AD have received some hype and Stallworth a little.

    But, when the script is written for this season who will be the most important addition to the team of the four?

    I'm going with AD. I think he filled a big need that we had that very few other could have filled.

    Who is your choice?
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    I'll say Welker, because he has Moss and Stallworth supporting him. If Moss and Stallworth each break for one long pass during a game, then Welker gets wide open. AD will be great, but he's got more adjusting to do.

    Just a guess.
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    I'm assuming AD = Adalius Thomas?
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    AD

    Colvin, Bruschi, Thomas, Vrabel
    Seymour, Wilfork, Warren

    Impenetrable! :cool:
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    Moss, easily. He's the ONLY listed player who'll command constant double teams making his fellow teammates that much better. As such, he'll be the guy whose presence is most felt on this team.
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    Thomas will be the most imp offseason acquistion.. I think Moss is a luxury, we were going to be fine with Welker and Stallworth, But if we lose Thomas we are in trouble at LB
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    the outlet wins for me

    none of these players will result in a scheme change, whereas only one of these players represents a vital cog to the existing scheme--one that hasn't been in place since Troy started to slow down
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    Thomas is number two, but Welker has to be number one. Troy Brown was Brady's number one guy in his prime; now we have a younger, faster Troy who's nearly uncoverable in the slot.
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    Thomas is a BIG TIME pickup.


    Man...that was difficult, I love Welker in the slot, because teams will have to cover Moss with at least one deep.




    People,

    This is a lot better than a few years ago when the poll would've read

    Chad Brown or Mony Beisel.

    CELEBRATE in 08
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    Agreed. I think his impact may be a little lost with the big stats he allows Welker to get. I don't mean to diminish Welker's impact as he will be pretty good even without Moss, just not as good with him
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    Thomas...BARELY over Moss.

    Thomas seems to fill a bigger need, and at the same time, lets Vrabel and Bruschi play at their ideal spots. That's going to be huge.
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    If we had only signed ONE free agent wide receiver in the off-season I would perhaps have picked that one (whether it was Moss, Stallworth, or Welker). However, given that we signed FOUR WR's, I think we could do without any one of them and would be fine with the other three, plus incumbents Caldwell, Brown, Gaffney and Jackson.

    Therefore, I pick AD. Also, remember it was not our inability to score points which cost us the chance for Lombardi #4, it was the inability of our defense to hold an 18 point lead.
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    Hi all,

    I would have said A. Thomas for sure before the TB game... but now I agree with the poster that mentioned he has some adjusting to do before he gets there. Although I HOPE that he can get up and running in our system quickly, I suspect that it may take him a bit longer to get to where we'll need him to be before he'll have the impact that I'm hoping that he'll have.

    Given that, from all reports Welker has been that valve that we've been missing since the days of the tuck rule and Brown's decline... IMHO he just edges out Thomas (for now)... the whole "one in the hand" thing.
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    It's not like Welker was out there lighting it up in Tampa either.

    The one sure thing is that the answer to this question is NOT Welker. He is not even a starter for crying out loud.
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    Moss. He will keep B. Sanders, T. Polamalu, K. Rhodes and others out of our backfield.

    When Moss is on the field, the OL should be able to get a hat on everybody at the LOS, and Maroney should run wild
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    say what? you mean, like, Tom Brady can't be the best quarterback in the league because he didn't even make the pro-bowl?
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    I voted AD.

    While I think Moss is incredible, Stallworth can break open games, and Welker is reliable, AD makes the single biggest contribution.

    You can take away any one of the three WR and I would still like our chances against anyone.

    I have a feeling it will be rare for us to have Stallworth and Moss on the field at the same time. At this point, I like our WR corp, even if one or two of those guys is hurt, as long as the other one is full speed.

    If all four of these guys stay healthy, the NFL is in trouble:rocker:
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    True... but in the short amount of time that we got to see Thomas out there it looked (to me... and it's only one man's opinion) like he had a few issues. Our defense is very complex... and very different from the Ravens D. One example of a slip up came on a draw right play... in the Ravens D (usually) Thomas would charge the QB regardless (hurry or sack if a PA or if the RB was "in" just to attempt to block the big fellow) while the end (primary) and/or safety (if Reed was in the box or coming up in run support) would make the play on the draw. In our DEF, the responsibility to close that side of the run usually (for all I know it was a called blitz from BB and the SS SHOULD have been up to cover the poss of the draw... but with how meat and potatoes the rest of the game calling was, I doubt it) falls to the OLB IF the DE is doubled (as was the case on this play)... Colvin had trouble with this when he first got here too, but has it down now.... it is NOT a knock on Thomas (who I think has been great in the past and hope will be great for us in the future)... but it is an issue when thinking about this kind of question. Biesel (sp?) was pretty good for the Chiefs but could never get our DEF down (given that the ILB is harder in our scheme than the OLB... but Thomas is trying learn both)...now Thomas is much better than Biesel... but it might take more than a second to learn the complexities of our defense.

    I, for one... can't wait until he "gets it".... he should be a monster for us... whether he ultimately plays on the inside or outside of the LB corps... but it takes time to "get it"... and it might be a small hole for us until he does (if he does)... thus my vote.
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    Personally, I am getting a little concerned about Moss and his injury. I was not a big fan of trading for Moss to begin with (although I do feel it was a low risk and potentially high reward trade the way it turned out) in part because the guy has been hampered by groin and hamstring injuries each of the last two year and had a foot injury that hampered him the year before. It has been nearly two weeks since Moss last practiced. I can't help but be a little suspicious of how much he will contribute for the entire season.

    I think Thomas will be the biggest impact because he will affect two other players - Bruschi and Vrabel. With Thomas taking the Mike LB, Bruschi can move back to the SAM and Vrabel can move back outside which are their more natural positions.
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    Yes, it's to indicate Adalius Thomas, but AD stands for "all day."
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    For me it's AD, Moss, Welker, Stallworth - in that order. I agree with PromisedLand - the amount of WRs detracts from the "biggest impact" aspect so I'll go with Thomas, filling a desperate-ish need while moving Bru and Vrabes to more familiar and productive spots.
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    I agree with this entire post. Hopefully the fact that Moss has been present for every walk-through is predictive of NE just being careful, but health is a big issue with NE's top flite WR reinforcements.

    I also agree with your AD selection and the rationale behind it. Assuming that he gets the ILB postion, he is the key to what should be a dramatically improved LB unit over what was there at the end of the year.

    Regarding Welker, I liked it more when I was probably the only Pats fan that even knew he existed :p but he will have a good sized impact on this team as well. The slot WR postion is very important to NE's passing game and getting a proven guy there who will free up the other WRs to do other things is nearly as important as AD. I just think that AD is a much better player than Wes which is why I was comfortable placing him higher in this poll. BTW, it is pretty disingenous to say that Welker "is not even a starter". I predict that Welker will be on the field for *at least* 70% of all plays where NE even has a WR on the field.
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    My vote went for Moss based on this reasoning. It may not be a foregone conclusion, but there is a general consensus that if the defense was healthy, including Seau, the Pats would have won the AFCCG. This year they have that healthy D. (for now) Thomas is a fantastic addition, but the big hole last year was the receivers. Brady has never had a receiver that will get a double team as often as Moss will. This of course opens up everything. Without Moss I'm not sure whether Stallworth would get doubled as much. If things fall into place this offense should be the best we have ever seen in NE and Moss can be a big reason why.
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    I'm going with Stallworth... no offense to anyone else on this list, but the lack of a deep game last year was debilitating to the team's success last year, and although no one agreed with me at the time, it had an adverse impact on many aspects of the offense, allowing the defense to move up towards the line of scrimmage, double teaming Watson, limiting yards after the catch, curtailing the running game and putting a lot of extra pressure and sacks on Brady.

    That now changes with Stallworth & Moss - though give Stallworth the advantage seeing as his YPC and overall numbers were better than Moss's last year.

    Conversly I think the defense did pretty well last year, as they always seem to, and though I don't minimize at all what AD means to this team, we'd still have a great D without him.

    Welker will be an improvement over Caldwell (i.e a 10-12 ypc guy) - though he'll benefit from the fact that there's a deep threat whereas Caldwell never had that benefit last year and still hauled in 61 passes at 12 ypc - I hope Welker does at least that.

    But I think the biggest need for the team is a deep game, and that's Stallworth and Moss, and Stallworth gets a slight advantage over Moss given last year's numbers
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    That is what I've heard several players in interviews refer to him as. AD does sound better than AT, for some reason.
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    I thought that "important" was the most important word in the question, so I voted for AT (AD?). Moss, Wexler and Stallworth will hopefully complement each other. Neither one alone is as important to the offence as AT is to the D.
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    Your assessment of our D glosses over the big questionmark surrounding Asante...
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    Our new WR's are great additions, but AD will prove to be the best, at practice yesterday trying to figure out who they will mix up the LB's will Bruschi and AD start.. or Seau and AD start.. or Seau and Bruschi.. nice problem.. do not suspect egos will be an issue.. our LB corps rivals our D line.. in terms of intelligence and football ability.
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    no doubt: Adalius Thomas
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    You all REALLY underestimated Moss,
    I said he was worth a first round pick and 10Mill. based on incentives.
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