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Cunningham was a different QB in MN. He stayed in the pocket more and never had as many offensive weapons available to him. He had just as productive years in Philly.
Culpepper's best year came when Moss was hobbling on a bad ankle and shoulder and needed to distribute the ball more.
Same goes for Brady. His highest TD year was 07 but I'd argue that his years in '10 and '11 were better.
Stats show QBs had good years with Randy but they also had good years without him.
Gronk's success isnt leading to career years for any WR is he?
Jeff George never had a better year than with Minnesota. You gotta remember, he didn't start at the beginning of the season, but his per game numbers were better than ever before. The next year he went to Washington (?) and fell back into mediocrity. .
Cunningham only put up the numbers because of a great offensive line, a strong running game, and three great WR's. I truly believe an elite quarterback like Brady would have put up numbers that far surpassed his..
Culpepper was putting up unreal numbers (as was Moss) until Moss got injured against the Saints (I believe). Culpepper put up good numbers in two of the next three weeks w/o Moss, but they were against the 30th and 32nd rated pass defenses. Again, he was on an unreal pace before the Moss injury...
2000-2004 Moss is the best WR I have ever seen. As for the question, I think it's pretty even. Gronk & Hernandez >>> Moss though.
Ah c'mon guys...if we replaced Gronk with a prime Moss right now you honestly believe this offense suffers?
With AH and Welker working over the middle + Branch? I honestly think it's a new NFL record for points scored.
If we happen to lose to one of the Ds i expect alot of the "we need a deep threat!" cries to come out. If we do lose then we already know how it's going down..
I dont think this should be close at all. Moss in his prime took a safety out of the middle of the field and opened it up for players like Welker....Moss' threat on the field led directly to the development of Welker's role.
Now yes. With an entire training camp the offense would function at a high level.
Just because a QB has better per-game numbers, doesn't mena he had a better year. See Brady '10.
That is not the debate. The question is did Moss directly make the QB better. For RC, he was a decent QB before he got to MN and as you point out, had a ton of other offensive weapons to work with.
...and he continued to play well w/o Moss.
Moss is the greatest talent but Jerry Rice was a better all-around WR.
1.) No, but having a better year means he had a better year. Can you tell me when Jeff George had a better season?? Nope, because he didn't. Not only were his per game numbers through the roof, but he also played very well in his one and only (?) playoff game..
There are tons of Qbs who got lost with one team but found another. Warner in 08. Gannon in 2000. Etc. Systems, personnel, coaching, etc all play a factor in a Qbs revival.2.) He was a decent quarterback ... 4 years prior to getting to Minnesota. Before that season most people thought he was washed up and out of his prime. The guy was backing up Brad Johnson until Johnson suffered an injury. .
3.) He did continue to play well, but not nearly as well, despite going against two of the worst defenses in the league. .
4.) I'll agree to disagree. Jerry Rice easily had the greatest career out of any wideout in league history, Terrell Owens might have had a better career than Moss as well. But I don't think either one was better than prime Moss.
94, 95 and I think 97 were equal if not better.
There are tons of Qbs who got lost with one team but found another. Warner in 08. Gannon in 2000. Etc. Systems, personnel, coaching, etc all play a factor in a Qbs revival.
Meh. he played fine. Better stats w/ Moss. Sure. Better QB? Debateable.
Moss > TO
JR > Moss