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    Early predictions say troops will be in the Afghan for 5 years: U.S. forces likely to be in Afghanistan up to 5 years, McKiernan says - The CNN Wire - CNN.com Blogs
     
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    Buckle up for "Obama's Yes-We-Can War::
    Obama's Yes-We-Can War: 17,000 More Troops to Afghanistan - TIME
     
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    We cannot pay for more war.

    Iraq was paid for by our Chinese "bankers". China's economy is bad now so we have nobody to fund our war games anymore.
     
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    You mean like cleaning up the mess your hero lied us into?

    Get back to us all with your misplaced sarcasm when Obama fraud's the nation into the invasion of a country that never attacked us.
     
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    Under the Bush admin, Gates did a lot of lobbying for futureweapons and now that budget is sliced. The 9-11 tap is running dry:

     
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    One would have expected this sort of idiocy from Bush.

    Exactly what part of "ignore history at your own peril" does Obama not understand? He might want to start listening to people who know a thing or two about these things, like the last Soviet commander in Afghanistan:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090213/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_afghanistan_anniversary

    MOSCOW – Twenty years after Red Army troops pulled out of Afghanistan, the last general to command them says the Soviets' devastating experience is a dismal omen for U.S. plans to build up troops there.
     
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    Indeed :( and the situation's even more complex now than it was then because India's involved and Pakistan not only has nukes but they do not want us there,period. Then there's Iran.

    In some ways this news is more dire than that of our economy imho. Not only are we sending our men and women into what sounds like a bloody quagmire but we're also messing with that nuclear thing. WWIII could be a plausible outcome,even without nukes.

    Not only that, with a tightened defense budget, what are we arming our troops with? In Iraq and Desert Storm soldiers' families were buying the armor themselves because what the military was supplying in many cases was crap even then,when we had the $. What exactly will these new troops have to protect themselves now, during (let's face it) a depression?

    The generals want more troops for southern Afghan where the fighting remains intense and escalating all the time, but today (conveniently) some sort of geographic analysis indicates OBL is likely in northern Pakistan. We know one of Obama's campaign promises was to hunt OBL down so do the math.

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    I totally agree with you about the difficulty of the task, but I disagree that we should pack up and go (is that what you are suggesting, I'm not sure) just because the Soviets were not able to control the situation. In our case we took out the ruling party with a legal invasion to stop terrorists from operating freely in the region. If we leave, or do nothing different, the terrorist groups will gain greater and greater power and we'll be right back where we were in 2001-2002. To me that means we have to do SOMETHING, but the real problem I see is how can you expect to weed out the enemy in such a huge, inhospitable land area, and more importantly how can you end their influence in the region if they essentially control large swaths of territory in a neighboring country that you're not supposed to invade and has nukes that could fall into the wrong hands if the gov't is destabilized by US action.

    To sum it up, you're right, but what should we do? Its a tough, tough situation.
     
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    The extremists gain greater power by using our presence and frequent killing of civilians ("collateral damage" in airstrikes) as a recruiting tool, not only there, but more importantly in other places like Pakistan and the rest of the muslim world.

    And yes i'm saying we should leave. There is no strategic reason for us to be there, other than to ratchet up tensions in the region--specifically with Iran (which I suspect is one of the true motives for this move).

    But I agree that this situation is not completely similar to the Soviets' experience--they were fighting an enemy that was equipped with the latest Western surface-to-air weapons. In that regard, we do stand a better chance of "controlling the situation."
     
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    Kyrgyzstan parliament votes to close key U.S. base - CNN.com

    With Russia's economy tanking, Obama will need to pony up some $ to keep this open.
     
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    Although we already know what happens in Afghanistan if we leave them alone, we saw it in 2001. It becomes open territory for terrorists to operate. Then our only option is to try and take out training camps etc with bombing runs, which as we see in Pakistan cause civilian casualties and cause even more resentment among the people. Again I don't think there's an easy answer, I'm just not sure leaving is our best option at this time.

    There's also the idea that we owe it to the people to leave them with a reasonably stable government and security situation since we were the ones that came in and toppled their government, crappy and oppressive as it was.
     
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    Which is more of an immediate threat to our country,Afghanistan or Mexico?
     
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    I'll say an unsecure Mexican border rather than just Mexico. But does that mean we should ignore Afghanistan? We also need to take a long-term view with our foreign and domestic policies. Global warming is not an immediate threat, so we shouldn't spend a cent on it. Our roads and bridges are not an immediate threat so we shouldn't repair them yet. Social Security and Medicaid aren't bankrupt yet so let's ignore that for a while (oh wait, they really ARE doing that, crap.).

    I would like to see more action on securing the border, but not at the expense of allowing Afghanistan to deteriorate further.
     
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    Frame that within our economy though,and our budget. We're still in Iraq,we're in Afghan and we're escalating that, we're also visiting Korea because there are issues there, Iran is stepping to the forefront,and Russia's just become good friends with Cuba again.

    Meanwhile Mexico's mob is already terrorizing AZ and TX that we know of so far. BTW our roads and bridges ARE an immediate concern, it's just that nothing's really been done about them but that's another topic.

    I didn't say to ignore Afghanistan, but be real-we'll never get out of there-ever.

    HS suggests building a wall b/w the US and Mexico, but how does that remove the hundreds,maybe thousands of tunnels and smuggling routes already dug in?

    I guess the crux of the matter is,who are the REAL terrorists, a question people disagree on:D.

    EDIT: The troops who are already fighting in Afganistan need support immediately. What's a concern is that it's escalating so much that where's the end? There is none. jmho tho.
     
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