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More than 100 nations agree to immediately ban the use of cluster bombs

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  1. weswelker#83

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    "But somehow Israel, USA not on the list"...what a friggin joke you are. Really. Just pathetic and disingenuous.

    Though some of the biggest makers of cluster bombs, including the United States, Russia, China and Israel, were not involved in the talks and have not signed the accord, organizers predicted that those nations would nevertheless be pressured into compliance.

    Interesting what you left out, wes. Very telling as to what your agenda is, as if we didnt' know.
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    Is it ok to be a criminal Because china and russia are ok with it?
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    First of all, who determines "criminal"? You? Me? Ireland?

    Secondly, I just think it's telling that you made sure to mention the US and Israel, but never mentioned Russia or China.
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    Yawn. New ones go off much better. And they're an excellent way to decimate personell, which after all is one of the objectives of war. And guess what? In Gulf I, one of the biggest things that led the Iraqi army to surrender as quickly as it did was the fear of those very cluster bombs. So you could make the argument that they actually save lives.

    Or you could just believe every little bit of anti American propaganda that gets put out, whichever.
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    #75 Jersey

    Russia, China, US, and Israel are all dicks for not agreeing to it. You should have included all four in your statement so as to not appear biased for some reason. I know you're biased like I am. So is a.paul, BTW.

    Anyways....do you suppose that the US opposition to the pact is being driven by....oh, let's say....certain interests who happen to have a hand in the manufacture of...never mind. Crazy talk, right?
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    What a total load of bullsh!t.

    Sorry, man, but you are more of an apologist for this administration as I've seen on this forum at this point.

    Let me get this straight....
    Iraq surrendered because of cluster bombs...not apathy,no pay, battle fatigue or complete lack of patriotism, huh? WTF are you talking about? CLUSTER BOMBS SAVE LIVES? That's some insane, twisted logic...unless of course it was satire.

    I also like the way you use the word "personell". It's neatly dehumanizing and very Pentagonish. Right up there with "collateral damage"......"personell"....what a clown!
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    I'm not biased, whatchoo talkin bout willis?
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    Instead of banning an effective weapon, why not do as the US official suggested in the article and use technology to render the unexploded bomblets harmless after the battle is over? That seems to be a much more common sense solution than the US taking an useful weapon out of its arsenal. Cluster bombs are good at killing troops. I'm sure commanders in any future conflict would like the option to kill large numbers of ground troops with a few bombs dropped rather than sending in infantry to do it and risk higher casualties.
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    Did you read where I said "Gulf I"?

    How did this become about me apologizing for the administration? I don't care who's the president. Really wistah, that's kind of insulting on it's face. The point of war is to make your enemy surrender, usually because you've killed enough of them to make them not want to fight anymore.

    If you're going to go to war, I'd rather see a war where American fighter jets can drop cluster bombs to take out enemy positions (enemy soldiers. Other men, however the fukc you want me to say it) and not put American soldiers in harm's way by forcing them to attack on the ground.

    BTW, there's more to cluster bombs than just killing people. In Kosovo, for instance, they used a new type developed to target the electrical grid, cutting off power for the enemy. There are special anti-armor cluster bombs--and they're even designed to self destruct if they don't find an actual target.

    Thing is, I actually like watching weapons shows and reading Jane's stuff.
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    Gee, that sounds a lot like "cluster bombs save lives". Nahh...can't be.
    :D
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    Not picking on you personally. This is an internet forum where nothing is personal. It was the idea that war is some sort of game where the score matters that was pornographic - and not the good kind..
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    :ditto: I agree. Cluster bomb are very effective tools at making an enemy capitulate. Why get rid of them entirely. I haven't seen the list, but I'd bet at least 50% of the countries on it don't have the capability to employ them.

    I'm with stokes, wipe em all out with 1 bomb rather than root them out with ground troops. WAR IS HELL.
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    In a.paul's world you do everything you can to avoid a fight (or a war), but once you're in it you do everything you possibly can to win--one of my biggest problems with how Iraq was handled.
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    So the nations without cluster bombs voted to ban the weapon they don't have.....
    Yeah sure. If a weapon saves American lives in a battle keep it. Cluster bombs are very effective and not used in civilian areas. They explode when dropped and don't stay in the field of battle to main and kill after the fact like a land mine.
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    In Vietnam, people are still being killed today as a result of cluster bombs left by the US.
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    So killing and maiming are okay if done humanely?

    Uhhh ... okay I guess ... bring on the tactical nukes ... they will never know they are dead.
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    Link Wes???

    some info on cluster munitions from wiki:


    There are parts of the article that make claims about unexploded munitions. The sources to document these claims are not clear. These munitions are designed to explode before becoming a threat to non combatants.
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    Got any proof of that there WW? Link perhaps.

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