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Jason Taylor in focus - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com
I just have a sneaking suspicion that he ends up a Dolphin this year and the rest of his career.
If he wants to play in Miami then proceed with caution moving forward.
The key diff between this guy and Dillon/Moss/ other veterans is that they wanted/want to be here.
This guy comes in and has this 'I miss home' attitude and I'm afraid it's going to bring people down. Sure everyone misses home, but here's a guy that is a bit more vocal about it than everyone else.
If they do sign him, I make sure I get his commitment to this football team 100%.
:agree:...but,the only thing that is better than a guy that wants to be here is a guy who is pissed a team didn't want him and going on a tear. If Jason doesn't want to be here and his heart is totally in another place (Miami), he shouldn't come. If he wants to be here and in Miami but is having a tough time making the decision and Miami snubs him, he should come here and play like a man possessed and show them what they missed out on
im thinking that if he was going to be a fin, he would already be....
this waiting game only leads me to suspect hell come to NE right b4 TC camp
If you want to see Peppers in Patriot blue, you'd better find a way to convince him to sign for a first year salary cap hit of <$4M.
If Jason Taylor is not a Pat by Mini camp, then I think this notion of him joining is dead, and he will end up in Miami.. And that means he does not want to work at a championship... He rather sit home in Fla and collect a pay check from Miami who wont win a super bowl in 2 years..
All of this makes great drama and adds to his name recognition... is it all a marketing ploy???
"Sparano said the Dolphins' final decision won't be dictated by the Patriots' interest."
Yea, I'm not buying that for even ONE second.
Why proceed with caution? That's a little silly in my opinion. Taylor is still looking for that elusive Super Bowl ring and has always been a fierce competitor throughout his career. I really don't think that Miami being his first choice will affect him in the slightest if he signs here.
I don't buy the Dillon and Moss thing either. Both players were more concerned about getting out of their bad situation than where they were landing. Dillon by many accounts was a bit of a malcontent and was upset with his role after the 2004 season. Moss is definitely happy here, but even he admitted that he was willing to go to Green Bay and intrigued with playing with Favre when he was being dangled as trade bait.
I hate to say this, but there are probably a half dozen or so guys currently on the Patriots' roster, as well as, every other roster in the league who would be playing for another team if they had total control over where they were playing. I'm sure when Rodney was released that he would have rather stayed with San Deigo than go to the Patriots since he still lives in the San Deigo area. If Rodney was given the choice at the time to stay with the Chargers or go to the Pats with all the money being equal, I bet he would have stayed with the Chargers. Are you saying adding Rodney was a mistake by Belichick.
The fact of the matter is in today's NFL, there are plenty of players playing for teams that aren't their first love. Veterans like Taylor who have a decade long experience with one team are discarded when their contract gets too big for their value. The Pats have won championships with they type of players. This is the least of my worries about Taylor. The guy wants to win a championship and I have no doubt he will give his all if he is on a team that gives him that chance. I am far more concerned with his age and recent injuries what his all is left.
A question for those more knowledgeable on our roster than me.
Is JT worth having at 34 and coming off a season of injuries and with possible doubts about his desire?
Are we that thin at DE that he is worth the risk?
First, he would be an OLB in NE, not a DE. He played OLB in a similiar system in 2006 and 2007 and he won defensive MVP in 2006 and had 24.5 sacks in that time period.
Second, I think he could resurrect his career much like Willie McGinest did when he switched from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB under Belichick. Personally, I think Taylor's problems last year was that Dancing with the Stars probably made him be in great shape, but not good football shape. I assume this offseason he has been more focused on being in football shape (but who knows). I think him playing from an upright position rather than with his hand in the dirt (like he did with the Redskins) will help minimize injuries.
jason taylor said he wants to spend more time with hes fam so hes not going to sign with any one right a way he dose not want to be at every OTA or mini camp and all the talk of him comeing to the pats is just make the fins offer more then the one yer 1.5 millon they offerd him he was the face of the fins for a lot of yer and thats where he wants to end his career even if its only 1 millon a yer
Thanks for the reply Rob.
What makes you think he's a winner?
The fact he's working hard in mini camps right now?
Or because he was on dancing with the stars?
This is the biggest misconception going right now: Jason Taylor as Winner. What he has done to earn that title? He has never been on a team that won ANYTHING. He has REPEATEDLY shown that he lacks commitment. The Redskins just dumped him even though they spent a 2nd rounder on him the year before. The Dolphins have no interest in him. Just because Tom and he probably chased some tail once or twice together, and BB talks about him at press conferences, he is a "Winner"? I'm not so sure. IF he ends up playing this year, it will be for small dollars.
Here's the latest per Rotoworld:
Report: Jason Taylor prefers Miami return
Is it Taylor's fault Rick Spielman and Randy Mueller constructed losing teams? Or that Dave Wannstedt, Cam Cameron and Nick Saban were his coaches? The Dolphins were an awful, terribly run organization for a long time; that is why they haven't won anything, not because the Hall of Fame-calibre defensive end is not a "winner."
If you're going to call Taylor a loser, say the same thing of Randy Moss.
Rodney hadn't won anything before coming to the Patriots either. Had Corey Dillon even made the playoffs with the Bungles? If so, they never went anywhere, yet he turned in a season long performance for the ages.
Do you really think in football you can blame one player for a lack of team success? This isn't basketball where one or two players can carry a team. I think it takes some fire to be a DPOY on a terrible team where your games are meaningless.
First of all, Taylor is one player. One player except maybe a QB the quality of Brady cannot make enough of a difference on his own to win anything.
Second, Taylor is a fierce competitor. You cannot prove that wrong. He has always been very competitive on and off the field.
Third, which imaginary minicamp would you want Taylor to work hard at right now? Brady isn't at this imaginary minicamp either, maybe he has lost his competitive edge. We are talking missing time in May for a 12 year veteran who is already familiar with the system, lets not go overboard here.
I respectfully disagree here.
Randy/Corey... all the vets that come here for less come b/c all they care about is winning and put their egoes aside.
Taylor, can not put his ego aside in that he cares about being in Miami more than winning.
This is fine, then let him play in miami.
Im my original response I said proceed with caution with Taylor and only bring him if he gives BB his full commitment to the team.
All we've gotten is speculative reports from people saying he's leaning one way or another. If he goes to Miami, is it because he doesn't want to win? Miami is where his family is, and they did go 11-5 last year. Personally, I don't see how they repeat that, but in Taylor's mind you don't think he believes he can help them win even more?
People need to get over the idea that the Patriots are viewed as the only place capable of winning the Super Bowl by everyone in the league. Pats and Steelers may be the best chance, but even they don't win every year. Not choosing the Patriots doesn't mean that Taylor simply doesn't care about winning, that's absurd.
Well, by your definition, what has Randy Moss done to prove he is a winner? Or Wes Welker? What have they won? Why are they even on the team?
Taylor showed last year he didn't commit to the offseason, but hasn't shown it repeatedly. As far as we know, he has done just as much as any Patriot player currently on the roster who chooses not to train in Foxboro.
As for the Redskins dumping him, it was a cap issue and the fact that he wouldn't take a pay cut. Besides, he was a 4-3 DE in Washington not a 3-4 OLB. Two very different positions and I don't think he can be a 4-3 DE at his age anymore.
As for the Dolphins, they are discussing their interest. Even so, the Dolphins are still a team that is building for the future despite their record last year. Parcells knows that last year could very well be a fluke especially the way they won most of their games and that they may take a big step back before moving forward. Why have a guy who will be gone in a year in that scenario?
Taylor is one year removed from a 11 sack season as a 3-4 OLB and 2 years removed from a Defensive MVP, 13.5 sack season as a 3-4 OLB. I don't get why people are so adament at giving the guy a decent, but not spectacular deal and hopes that he can be 3/4 of what he was in 2007 which is better than anything we have on the roster to line up opposite AD. Taylor could be done, but the guy has/had far too much talent to just dismiss out of hand without looking at. Now if he does have an injury that is still lingering, that is another story.
Except Dillon didn't put his ego aside. Word was his ego was a problem in the lockerroom in 2005 and 2006. Randy and Corey came here because they wanted out of their crappy situations and the Pats were the best option. It wasn't like either were a free agent who only wanted to play for the Pats. Randy would have been a Packers if Ted Thompson gave into Favre's demands to sign Randy.
Also, when has Jason Taylor ever been accused of being a lockerroom cancer and not do everything that is asked of him to help the team win. The guy has been a consumate profession and strong team leader for a decade now. That is why Kraft and Belichick like the guy so much.
I wish we can go back in time and never sign Rodney Harrison. He wanted to play in San Deigo over the Patriots, but the Pats signed him anyway after San Deigo cut him. Rodney's heart has always been in San Deigo and it was proven that because he loved San Deigo over the Pats that it was a big mistake for him to come here.
If Taylor is signed, he will be just as committed here as he would be anywhere else. To think otherwise is silly. Players don't try harder because they are in one city over another. Brady grew up a 9ers fan. Do you think he would have been a better QB if he played in San Francisco over New England? Do you think he would have worked out harder?
He was not willing to be part of Redskins minicamps/OTAs etc.
I did not mean current off season stuff, but offseason programs as they occur.
Do you honestly think Taylor is familiar with BB's 3-4?
And in the locker room...
As a former athlete I would not want to play with a guy that is checking his former team's score publicly like Taylor admitted to.
First, Taylor played in a Belichick 3-4 defense (or very close to it) for two years under Nick Saban (a Belichick disciple). In fact, I think he is more aware of the Pats system than the Dolphins.
As for Taylor, he wasn't cut because he wasn't willing to take part of the minicamps or OTAs. I know Richard Seymour has skipped minicamps in the past. So has other players.
Seriously, you gotta get over this Taylor and his love of Miami crap. It is ridiculous in the NFL for players to meet the standards you state. The NFL is a mercenary sport. Players do not have loyalties to teams and teams don't have loyalties to players. You may love a team and play for them for years or even a decade and at some point they decide to cut you. Either you move on or you retire. It is the fact of the NFL and Taylor is well aware of it. The Pats have won Super Bowls with players with similiar mindsets as Taylor. You are making a big deal out of nothing.
Belichick doesn't care if Taylor would have rather been in Miami. He only cares if he will come to the Pats and play hard to get to the Super Bowl. Nothing you have suggested that he would do anything otherwise.
All this crap you're bringing up would make a great soap opera, but really doesn't matter on the field at all. Bottom line, if BB thinks Taylor can help the team, he'll bring him in. Assuming of course that Taylor chooses the Patriots over the Dolphins.
And yes, he won DPOY as a 3-4 OLB in a Nick Saban system. He will pick it up just fine. Even without that experience, how much did Junior Seau have in the Pats system before coming in? Or Rodney? Or Ted Washington? Or Keith Traylor? Veterans who know the game of football can figure it out. The pats use a complex system, but they're not splitting the atom here. It's still football, and if you know your assignments the execution is what matters.
Ya ya ya... the NFL is a mercenary league, we all get it.
All I'm saying is that if he comes to NE he must be committed to winning on THIS team. And if he wants to check the Miami score, do it on his own time.
And if he cares so much about Miami winning or losing, what's he going to do when we play Miami twice? Play his heart out and then feel pity for his old team? What kind of BS is that.
The other players on this team can not question his belonging.
Kyle Brady failed at that and was rejected by BB and the locker room.
If you are not accepted in the locker room you will fail on this team.
Now, I respect Taylor a lot. I want him to be signed.
But with the single caveat that he is committed to winning on the PATS.
That is all.
Obviously,you don't get the mercenary thing or you wouldn't be making a huge deal out of this insignificant issue. I bet you if you took an off the record poll of current Patriots players where they had to be honest and the information would never come out and ask them if there is another team they would rather play for than the Patriots if given the chance, I guarantee you it wouldn't be 100% in the "NO" column. Nor would it be on any other team.
Kyle Brady failed here because he just wasn't that good anymore. It had nothing to do with how the players accepted him in the locker room.
Besides, Brady and Taylor are good friends off the field. He already has allies in the Patriots locker room.
Well, then we are in agreement. Adding Taylor would be a good move since all your doubts are answered whether you want to accept the fact or not. Taylor will not come here and not play hard because he would rather be in Miami or tank it to help Miami.
To think that Taylor would come here and dog it because this isn't Miami isn't grounded in any reality. If that was the case, why even come back. The guy is articulate, has modeled in the past, and have a good screen prescense. He could probably make as much or more through endorsement deals and being a talking head on ESPN or the NFL Network as he could get from playing for the Pats. Why come back and play somewhere he doesn't want to be if his heart isn't into it when he has other options? It makes no sense to think that he would dog it because he isn't playing in Miami especially when he has a good chance of getting the Super Bowl ring he has never gotten and still wants.
Taylor signing with the fins ??
Miami Dolphins: Jason Taylor to re-sign with Miami Dolphins today -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
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