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  1. Mrs.PatsFanInVa

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    #12 Jersey

    Only 35% of Americans think that the Bush tax cuts should be extended for all. 49% think they should be extended only to families who make under $250,000.00 per year.

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/11/17/rel16e.pdf

    So why are Senate Republicans saying this? What happened to all those pre-election promises about doing "what the people want?"

    Washington (CNN) -- Senate Republicans promised Wednesday to block legislative action on every issue being considered by the lame-duck Congress until the dispute over extending the Bush-era tax cuts is resolved and an extension of current government funding is approved.

    All 42 Senate Republicans signed a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, vowing to prevent a vote on "any legislative item until the Senate has acted to fund the government and we have prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers."


    Senate GOP pledges to block all bills until tax dispute resolved - CNN.com
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    The pubs ran saying they would extend the Bush tax cuts for all the poll was held the first Tues in Nov. Who cares what a CNN says people want.

    They are doing what people elected them to do. They won 2/3 of the Senate seats decided that day.
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    #12 Jersey

    And in August the same question on taxes said that only 31% Bof Americans wanted the tax cuts extended to all and 51% of the people wanted the tax cuts extended only to people making under $250,000.00 - which was an even higher margin.

    So, in August, when the politicians were running on the platform of doing what the "people wanted," did they not mean it?

    Based on the tax extension polls the people elected them to extend the tax cuts only to people making over $250,000.00 a year. They won their 2/3 seats by promising to do the people's bidding. Now, less than 1 month later, they are not.

    Now what?
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    In the poll that counts the people rejected the lame class warfare of the left. The pubbies are doing what the people elected them to do.

    If Obozo and Reid & Pelosi bleived itn this they could have brought this and their bidget to a vote. They didn't because the cowards were afraid of the reaction of the voters.
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    Lets see...just voted DOWN extending 58 billion in unemployment benefits because they are "Not paid for"


    YET.....


    Want to extend $700 Billion to make the wealthiest americans more comfy, without having to pay for it????



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    #12 Jersey

    It's what "the people" want.
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    yeah...apparently the people 'want to' be confused into giving the richest americans more money. and screw the middle class (aka themselves)
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    UI is available currently for 2 years how much longer should it be extended for? Forever?

    Better to juns Obozonomics and create jobs so people won't need unlimited unemploymnet benefits.

    BTW Reid & Pelosi are still running congress, can't blame the pubs yet.
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    So you're now acknowledging that the claims that Obama et al were rejecting the will of the people, as (allegedly) evidenced by polls, were bs, given that he was "doing what the people elected him to do"?

    I don't know why I continue to be amazed by the hypocrisy and double-speak of the Dem and Repub partisans...
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    #12 Jersey

    The Bush tax cuts have been available for the last 10 years or so - and the ecomony has gone steadily downhill and the debt has climbed just as steadily. How long should they be extended for? Forever?

    BTW, it's the GOP pledging to block all attempts to pass any bills until they get their way. I most certainly CAN blame them.
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    I second this....


    We've almost seen a complete economic collapse in the last 10 years BECAUSE of this policy.


    2 years later, and congress wants to dive back in with the same crap that made a few wealthy americans wealthier, and put our economy in further jeopardy and deeper debt????

    I feel like I'm taking cray pills here.....


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    800,000 people are about to lose their unemployment benefits at midnight, and a further 1.2 million on December 31.


    2 million more people.....THRIVING under the Bush Tax cutting policy!
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    Senator Kyle, comparing the Tax Cuts to a NUCLEAR START TREATY with the Russians!!!!




    if negotiators don’t reach a deal on the Bush taxes within a week “then you’re not going to have time to do START.”…



    The Republican Party: Give us Our TAX CUTS!!! or we will keep crying like little babies, and treat this country like its our diaper!
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    Obama did what he said he would do. The voter saw the results of his policies, the pubs said they would cut spending and extend the tax cuts and we saw the will of the people in the past election, a historic repudiation of the dem policies
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    the above paragraph is a load of manure.

    1. You can't cut spending while cutting Taxes. Cutting Taxes IS spending...its deficit spending when they are not paid for. These tax cuts have not been paid for over the last 10 years, keeping them is an extension of $700 billion in debt spending.

    2. Will of the people my *****....almost 80% of americans want the 250k + tax cuts to expire, yet somehow the "Will of the people" occurs in the 20% majority?

    3. If there really was such a "will of the people" we'd be out of Afghanistan, We'd have universal healthcare, Most bankers would be in jail, moving jobs offshore would COST a conmpany $$, and we'd be working towards Energy Independence.
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    When tax rates have been reduced the economy and government revenues have risen dramatically.

    To provide a simple example to illustrate the point. If I have an economy of 1 billion dollars and government takes 50% in taxes this would result in 500m. IF that economy remained the same size the tax revenues would remain at 500m. IF OTOH you reduced the tax rate to say 20% and grew the economy to 5 billion you would have a Billion in government revenue.

    A Tax system like ours is a way for politicians to gain power by giving tax breaks to their supporters and punishing their enemies. This is why politicians are terrified of things like the flat tax.
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    I'll ask again: So you're now acknowledging that the claims that Obama et al were rejecting the will of the people, as (allegedly) evidenced by polls, were bs, given that he was "doing what the people elected him to do"?

    btw, the notion that the voters "saw the results of his policies" is a pretty big stretch
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    #87 Jersey

    The tax cuts should be extended briefly for the wealthy and a bit longer for the lower brackets. The republicans and the democrats will end up agreeing to a tiered abpproach to extending and ending them. They should last at least a year longer because they are in part fueling the recovery.

    The tax cuts did not cause the recession and they certainly are not the solution to getting out of it. But the less variables moving forward the better ... you simply don't take money out the economy when you need it to grow.

    The UI insurance is another problem ... a sad problem ... but extending them with money from the printing press is not solving anything. heck we just did that to the tune of 600 billion and we have to pay the piper with that decision going forward. If this were 1800's America family would step in to pick up the slack ... family helping family and neighbors helping neighbors. It should not always be Uncle Sam to bail out everyone except the most needy as it already does everyday.

    My guess is the democrats and republicans will find common ground here ... more common ground than this thread has at least.
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    I'm trying tod ecide whether it's cute or sad that you actually believe the Republicans are any different.

    Why do so many Republicans seem like characters in Groundhogs Day when it comes to their party's policies?

    Staunch Dems believe in policies that don't work, but pubbies pretend their policies are wholly different than they ever were (except lower taxes -- they do stand for lower taxes).

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