Seymour93
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PatsSaintsSox said:ok...
Pedro - Theo was right not to give pay-dro the 4 year 50,000,000 dollar contract. While Pedro had a great year with the mets, he still has 2 more years on his deal, and he was already injured at the end of last season...not to mention the pedro being pedro stuff...is he an amazing pitcher? yes, is he going to the hall of fame? yes...but he is going to be 38 at the end of the last year in the contract, if that is even how old he is... and according to a med school friend i have, he has a 20% chance of not being able to start, or even pitch by the 3rd year, or 2007 - because of his shoulder injury history.
Theo - Theo in my opinion is an above average GM. He is very good at evaluating young talent, just look at the sox farm system since he has been here, it went to Yankees caliber to that of probably the marlins, who have an above average minor league system...guys like Lester, Papelbon, Pedroia, and Hansen don’t just come from out of thin air and apear in a minor league system, they have to be scouted and drafted. Theo points the scouts in that direction to look at those guys. In past years (before theo) the sox just picked the best power hitter in the first rounds, if they even had a first round pick (comp for the team that they got a FA from). Where as now, they take the best players available, be it a pitcher, power hitter, contact hitter, or a more well rounded player with no specific strengths, but good in all tool areas (fielding, hitting for power, speed, contact hitting, and throwing)...its unlike the football draft, because those players can step in and help right away...see logan mankins...where as with baseball, you have to have the foresight to look down the road and see where you will need help in say 3-5 years...
Cordero - Will Cordero wasn't here when theo was i don't think...i could be wrong but he is the only cordero that may have been here when theo was here in early 2003, but i thought he was long gone by then...i cant think of and other cordero right now that the sox had.
Rentererror - ok renteria was a bad signing, i would have preferred theo signed OC but that’s just me. I like a great fielding, decent hitting SS, but Edgar was a great fielder, and a great hitter that could fill the 2 hole in the BO. We all know what happened there, and theo had the guts to swallow his pride and trade renteria and cut his losses with him (Gammons said that theo was leading that whole trade with Atlanta for Marte - who is one of the best prospects in baseball)
all right...i think that’s everything for now...
ENFORCER said:you guys think theo is more loved then Brady????? You guys are on crack... Fricken Theo doesnt even play the game....
Sox may be the more popular team in Boston. But BRADY IS THE BIGGER STAR!!! The kid is on the same level of Bird and Orr...and you guys say Theo is loved more??? I think Belichick is more loved then Theo...
Like I said...Baseball town or not....3 Super Bowls is a hell of alot more better and acheiving then 1 world series title. And if you guys dont beleive that..then get the **** out of every Patriots messege board and never post again, cuz your not a true fan
Seymour93 said:62-7, Brady running away with it.
Once again another anti-Sox thread started by the loud minority. I swear, it seems like a felony to some on here to be either Bostonian or a Red Sox fan.
You are right about first base, but how was theo going to know millar would be garbage, he got worse in every offensive cat. from the year before. It wasn't that he dropped off slightly, it was a radical change, fewer hits, fewer homeruns, he was just badPeter Pat said:First off Pedro was only 33 when he signed his Mets contract, and he was suppose to breaking down than. All he did was throw for over 200 innings. get over 200Ks, That season alone gets the sox at least the AL east last year. And that is the Boston Globe spin on how Pedro will break down, well 4 years from now, when he is still one of the best pitchres in basbeball, than it would have been a bad contract not at 33. And what do the Sox care if they have to carry a bloated contract of a player who breaks down a year before his contract . Last year they carried Shillings and Foulks contract for a year. because you only have so many shots at the brass ring, so if you have to pay for an extra wasted year you did. There is no cap in basbeall, the team makes more money than god, and its not like ticket prices werent going up for the fans anyways.
Sorry for my Cordero comment, I think you know I ment Cabrera, this is a message board, so I am sorry for not proofing my post. The fact that Edgar replaced him was dumb enough, especially when they knew of his fragile mental makeup, and what a city like Boston would do to him.
I noticed you didnt bring up the complete lack of a 1st or 2nd baseman last year that never got addressed, the horrible bullpen signings, and bringing in no starter help. They replaced Pedro with Fat Wells, Clement, and Wade Miller.
How about trading your 4th outfielder in Payton for a horrible reliever coming off an injury. I know Payton cried and made Franconas life miserable. But the sox have as fragile as glass right fielder in Nixon (who I hate), who you knew was bound for the DL eventually. A center fielder who runs into walls, and has broken down in the 2nd half 2 seasons in a row, and a left fielder who likes to take days off. The 4th outfielder on the sox is practically a starter, and they traded him away, headache or no headache, at least replace him with a warm body that can help you.
Yeah the farm system is great until it bears fruit I will hold my judgement, I remember the sox in the early 90s had the best farm system in the league, with a bunch of can't misses, that all missed. Right now there are no home grown Red Sox on the team outside of Nixon, who was drafted in 93. I lhink Pabelbon will be a good pitcher, but who knows.
To say anything but he is a bad GM, you are just drinking the cool aid. Not to mention he has the easiest job a GM has, he can spend more than twice as much as his competitors, yet did he get a 1st or 2nd baseman or pitching? he has 120Mil payroll, any idiot GM can run a team with a payroll like that, when 2/3 of the league have payrolls half that much or lower. he is poor GM bottom line.
Sorry Pats fans, this is why too much sox talk, onto a real sport, played by a real team, with a real GM.