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  1. DarrylS

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    The defense contractor slogan of, "If we ain't stealing and lying, it ain't a good day" is never more evident than it is in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, our lawmakers are more focused on chump change beneficiaries of the federal dollar. Every day there is the mediotic whine about out of control spending by our government, however no one ever takes a look at defense spending and the always present fraud and overruns.

    As a society we have become desensitized towards war, the associated violence, the effect on american families and all of this seems to be far removed from reality of the american people.

    Haliburton built shoddy barracks in Iraq which resulted in soldiers dying after being electrocuted, Wackenhut had sex parties in the basement of the Afghan embassy, the taj mahal of embassies in Iraq was riddled with cost overruns and fraud, a plane load of AK-47's is missing along with a pallet of american 100 dollar bills.

    No one cares, the beat goes on.. the defense contractors continue to rape and pillage our government, it will never change. 58% of all federal spending goes toward the military.. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18852.. that is a lot of cash.

    Flawed projects prove costly for Afghanistan, U.S. | McClatchy


     
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    Thank you, when I post this stuff.. amazed how no one cares, but there is usually a great erectile dysfunction episode over ACORN or PBS... all the while the fraud and incompetency of the DOD contractors is outrageous..

    the DOD takes $.58 of every tax dollar.. but no one cares.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    58% if you ignore the other big ticket items. Honestly do you believe this crap you write ? Take out medicare, social security and all state taxes (your words, "every tax dollar") and your numbers are correct. Include "every tax dollar" and the real number is below $.20. Still too high but your argument is intellectually dishonest - surprise, surprise.
     
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    So I guess in your world it is ok to defraud and built crappy stuff, it happens all the time in the defense industry... and no one really cares.

    Your argument is not backed up by anything with veracity, except what you think..

    The right wing thought police have taught you well. They want you to believe that it is 20%, but in reality it is not..

    More than 50% of US Government Spending Goes to the Military

    Another source that claims 51%... and I thought illegal immigrants were the problem..

    http://www.warresisters.org/files/FY2011piechart.pdf
     
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    #24 Jersey

    I didn't say that. I think we should cut military spending. But don't - DON'T - present crap as truth. You said that the DoD is 58% of all of tax dollars and it's not even close to true. It's about 20% of Federal taxes, about 15% when you include state and local taxes. You can't separate discretionary from mandatory just because you don't want your social security cut. I want all spending chopped - even that which affects me or family members (like my dad's social security). You just want to cut what you don't like and make up numbers to suit you. Kind of like obama.
     
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    Wow... I've seen it all now. A conservative telling anyone ELSE not to "present crap as truth."

    That was excellent.
     
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    He said that "the DOD takes $.58 of every tax dollar" but decided not to count social security and medicare and also not state and local taxes. It was as disingenuous as you can get regardless of how you feel about the actual fraud issue he started with.
     
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    Our economy makes a return on defense spending ... we get to test the stuff we make and sell. I don't see a decrease coming as it's too big a part of the economy.
     
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    Wow, that's a really cartoonish pie chart you got there. Looks really comprehensive and official.

    Anyhow, most of us are aware of what constitutes mandatory and discretionary (voted on) spending. It would be amusing to see conservatives turn all liberal if/when their SS and medicare got cut in some hypothetical right wing privatize-everything utopia - Heaven forbid.

    Regardless, when it comes to discretionary spending, nothing is more gluttonous and wasteful than our Dept. of Defense, which does indeed get 58%. And nothing uses (wastes) more fuel during a time of growing fuel crisis.

    At least the current administration has doubled the spending for science and technology from 3% to 6%, and even that is laughable. 58% for offensive defense. 58% for bombing poor people to steal their natural resources so as to avoid any extra spending on actually getting smarter and more efficient with other forms of natural resources.
     
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    they don't care because when they turn on their computer there is a message from central command telling them what they should be angry about, and that doesn't include things like corporate fraud
     
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    The thought police has done a very good job amongst its followers, all the while as a society we are completely desensitized about the horrors of war and the accompanying fraud and theft associated with the defense contractor industry... bottom line no one really cares.

    Now there is saber rattling in S. Korea and all our economy needs is another war to destroy it further.. never mind more fodder to come home in body bags.

    Always mindful of Dwight D and his salient comments 50 years ago, he has more cred than most as he was a great general... not another draft dodging neo con..

    Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

     
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    The data is what it is. Defense spending is 14% of government spending in the USA. not 58%, There is another chart showing the rise of government spending as a % of GDP we are ~ 45% now which is horrible.

    Funny how LIbx complain about defense spending which is about the only thing the US Constitution specifies the Federal Government must do.
     
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    We were brought up to believe the notion, that war was good for the economy.. so much so we as a nation have allowed 58% of our budget to be used towards military endeavors...

    Pretty confident that when the constitution was framed that they did not intend this be such a disportionate figure..

    The constitution also clearly indicates its role for the Post Office, does that mean at any cost??? The constitution does not mention the Air Force or Coast Guard, is this illegal??

    Without regard as a society we do not care if we are defrauded by the defense contractors, it has become something that just happens without consequence.. all the while there are the echoes of folks complaining about out of control government spending.
     
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