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  1. Patters

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    In a Power Grab, the Kochs' Struggles Are Revealed - Yahoo! News

    Now those political differences are at the center of (think tank) Cato's future, and the Koches have taken the uncharacteristic approach of suing the very influential group they funded for years, dissolving their shroud of secrecy.

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    Since the Koch brothers filed their suit, Cato has pressed its case repeatedly in the press and published a webpage on its site called Save Cato. It includes links to Cato's tax forms, the Kochs' court petition, and a dozen clips in the mainstream media about the feud.

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    "I haven't heard anybody who wasn't on Cato's side on this, because they feel like Cato's just done such a great job," said Sharon Harris, the president of Advocates for Self-Government, a libertarian group in Georgia well known for its 10-point political questionnaire. "I would not want to see anything happen to them that would water down what they're doing."

    "How can Charles and David Koch, who are both devoted to classic Lockean conceptions of freedom and property, think they have a moral right to the control of Cato as of 2012?" asked the libertarian author Charles Murray. "I want to ask them, more in bewilderment more than in anger, how they can justify this lawsuit — not legally, but in terms of principles they cherish."
     
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    Funny since the Koch bros are demonized by the lefties as arch conservatives when they are hand have been Libertarians.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    If you READ the article, you would know that the CATO Institute is Libertarian and they are po'd about the arch conservative Koch brothers taking them over. Hence the threatened employee walkout if the Kochs take over.

    Why do consistently write things about which you know nothing and don't even attempt to learn?

    The article is right there in the link. It is not long.

    At least put in an effort to write something informed.
     
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    The Libertarian Koch bros have been funding this libertarian think tank for years as to their disputes with Cato (whose article/website I frequent) I could care less about their disputes.


    If the Koch bors were conservatives and not libertarians they would have been funding the Heritage Foundation not Cato.

    I guess all non socialist look the same to lefties.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Unbelievable.

    You still refuse to take 5 minutes to read the article, and instead spout off uninformed.

    They supported the Cato Institute in the past but have stopped giving in recent years, instead to focus on arch conservative and partisan Republican projects.

    CATO is fighting this takeover in court based on political/philosophical DIFFERENCES.

    Do you simply have an aversion to reading?

    Your economic miscomprehensions in other threads are, evidently, not unique to that area.

    There are many posters here with whom I disagree. However, many of those posters are at least informed about what they write. You are not respecting this forum when you spout off ignorantly.
     
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    Well I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading the article.


    They described the Koch's as mainstream pubbies which s a joke (although I wish their views did reflect the mainstream. IF their views were mainstream Romney and Santorum would be leading in the primaries.


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    CATO is fighting this takeover in court based on political/philosophical DIFFERENCES.[/quotes]


    Those philosophical differences aren't articulated in the article. Which seems to be a MSM attempt to further the dem meme about the Koch Bros, perhaps he got his orders on the article from the DnC.



    I love reading just don't care about reading uninteresting crap.

    My response was about characterizing the Koch brothers as conservatives. BTW Americans for Prosperity is a Libertarian Free Market org not a conservative one. If you go to their website yo will see no mention of abortion of other social issues just issues relating to small government free market issues.


    There are many posters here with whom I disagree. However, many of those posters are at least informed about what they write. [/quote]


    Coming from someone who doesn't understand the difference between Conservative and Libertarian think tanks this is quite funny.



    Whatever. At least you aren't thin uninformed on the Football forum.
     
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    You can read about it in the Journal or in Reason (which has ties to the Kochs) if you really think the "MSM" is somehow portraying things unfairly.

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    As for confusing libertarians for conservatives, the right does that with libertarians, too, calling them liberals when they don't like their stance on particular issues (usually social issues). Partisans on both sides seem to have a problem with people who don't fit neatly into the 2 boxed they see the world in.

    But are the Kochs truly libertarian? They give a lot of money to Republicans, not Libertarians (and not Dems). They've been critical of Obama -- are they similarly critical of Republicans?
     
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    #75 Jersey

    "Cato supporters say the worst-case scenario in a Koch takeover would be a reduction in research and proposals focused on civil liberties and foreign policy, areas in which libertarians often differ from mainstream Republicans (like on gay marriage and starting wars).

    The Cato fellow predicted that if the Kochs gained control, 20 percent of the senior policy staff would leave in the first month, and more than half would bolt over a couple of years, including Levy, the chairman.

    "The policy people, at least folks I've spoken to, including myself, would not stay," the fellow said. "Nobody's got a non-compete clause."

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    Oh, you betcha, PF13. Looks like the Libertarians at the CATO Institute feel the Koch brothers are plenty Libertarian!!!! NOT.

    They're agreeing so hard, they're in court about it!!!!! They feel the Koch's are so Libertarian that they predict 20% of the senior policy staff will walk immediately if the Kochs take over and more than half would leave within a couple of years.

    The reason? Read that first quoted sentence above again. Do you understand what it says???

    You are right. YOU can tell who's a Libertarian way better than those amateurs at the CATO Institute!

    Seriously, what a joke.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Oooh, epic fail, 13:

    Think tanks still look for Koch cash - Anna Palmer and Robin Bravender - POLITICO.com

    "......The Heritage Foundation received at least $843,571 from a Koch-run charitable foundation in 2008 and 2009, according to federal tax filings."
     

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