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  1. PatsWickedPissah

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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/17/italy.abuse.reut/index.html

    I know that the Kerry loving elitists love waxing eloquent about the cultural superiority of Euros. But like VT in the USA, Italian judges don't take abuse of underage girls by older men very seriously. In a decision straight from the 19th century, the high court ruled that a girl's prior sexual experience meant that the offense of rape should be reduced. Looks like the coming transition to Sharia (Muslim holy rule) won't be difficult for Italy.

    ROME, Italy (Reuters) -- Sexually abusing a teenager is less serious a crime if the girl is not a virgin, Italy's higher court said on Friday in a controversial ruling that immediately drew a barrage of criticism.
    The court ruled in favor of a man in his forties, identified only as Marco T., who forced his 14-year old stepdaughter to have oral sex with him after she refused intercourse.

    The man, who has been sentenced to three years and four months in jail, lodged an appeal arguing that the fact that his stepdaughter had had sex with men before should have been taken into consideration during his trial as a mitigating factor. The supreme court agreed, saying that because of her previous sexual experiences, the victim's "personality, from a sexual point of view, is much more developed than what would be normally expected of a girl of her age".

    "It is therefore fair to argue that (the damage for the victim) would be lower" if the abused girl was not a virgin, Italian news agencies quoted the court as saying.

    This means the man could now be handed a lighter sentence.

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    3 years for rape and now it could be REDUCED???
    Italy = VT
     
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    Sounds like San Francisco and Massachusetts.
     
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    That is horrible. These were the kinds of issues we had in the 70s and before. I remember a judge from Madison Wisconsin was actually removed by the people (who organized a special election) after acquitting two kids of raping a women because the woman was provocatively dressed. Thank god that type of conservative sexism has been largely suppressed. That was one of the big accomplishments of the women's movement. Looks like Italy needs some feminists.
     
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    Italy's courts have made some very strange decisions recently. Remember the rape conviction they threw out a few years ago because they found it's impossible to rape a woman who's wearing tight jeans, and if the attacker was able to get them off she must have consented? Strange thing is, Italy, being the epicenter of the Catholic Church, is one of Europe's more conservative countries.
     
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    By God Pujey, thats something to think about, they may have something there.
     
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    Oh, give me a freaking break. That may have been sexism, but don't label it conservative.

    That judge in Vermont sentenced a guy to 60 days in jail for sexually molesting a girl for four years. I suppose that's the result of liberal sexism?

    (OK, not sexism. The judge wanted the perp to get counseling, so it's the result of the liberal tendency to not to want to punish people for their sexual deviency -- unless they're conservative -- if they think they can cure the perps instead.)


    By the way, until our judges stop their insane rulings in this country, I wouldn't put too much stock in Italian judges' insane rulings as indicators of how that entire country is.
     
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    That certainly was conservativism. Don't tell me that conservatives headed up the feminist movement that fought for anti-harassment and anti discrimation legislation. It was conservatives who blocked the ERA, who tried to slow down legislation designed to guarnatee women equal pay, and who even to this day want the government to control a woman's reproductive rights. Conservatives back in the 70s often sided with those who said women who wear hot pants or mini-skirts are asking for it.

    And welcome to the board, BlueTalon. FYI, I'm the liberal mod. FreeTedWilliams is the conservative one.
     
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    Robertson and Falwell are wingnuts. Anything they say is not to be taken seriously except by their followers and people who love to poke fun at Christians (they're built in right-wing Christian straw men).

    Don't lump Dobson in with them, epsecially on this issue.
     
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    The best libs can do is think that Falwell and Robertson are the heads of the RNC.

    Yet sadly, moonbats like Howie and the Deaniacs are trying to steer the rudderless ship that is the Democratic party.

    The Party of No

    No Ideas

    No Vision

    No Hope

    No Cooperation

    No Compromise
     
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    Wait now, I know for SURE the "party of no" thing was a Republican talking point...
     
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    Are they NOT the party of no?

    Each time the administration pushes an idea, the Dems say NO without even offering so much as an alternative in its place.

    NO NO NO NO NO!!!

    Do you have any better ideas democrats?

    NO!
     
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    I believe they call that the "opposition party". It's how it works in politics, the majority party gets to push the agenda and the opposition party tries to keep the bad parts of the agenda from making the cut. Granted, often times what the opposing party opposes is more motivated by opportunity than substance, but don't act like this is anything new, hasn't been done by the Republicans when the Democrats were in power, or is even unique to American politics. And the Democrats have pushed plenty of their own bad ideas to in response to the bad ideas coming out of the GOP.
     
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    Whether or not its new or whether or not its the Democrats or Republicans doing it at the time doesnt make it right.

    At the very least, the Dems could be offering viable, reasonable solutions and yet they do not or can not.
     

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