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    certain posters take joy in conflating religious topics with politics, so turnabout is fair play.... here's Moon consistently rejecting Jesus:

    God's Day 1990 Morning Address - Sun Myung Moon

    "Father is the Adam who could restore the failure of Jesus."

    Abel's Right Path from the Providential Point of View - Sun Myung Moon

    "I told God that He could trust me, that I was different from Jesus. I said I would never, never pray as Jesus did in Gethsemane, "Father, let this cup pass from me."

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    MOONIE CHILDREN ARE BETTER THAN JESUS

    Blessing and Ideal Family
    Sun Myung Moon
    Chapter Seven Part 2
    IDEAL FAMILY
    6. THE VALUE OF BLESSED CHILDREN
    Blessed children surpass their parents.

    "To bear children rooted in God and True Parents (Ed: Moon and his wife, are called the "True Parents") is more exalted than Mary's bearing the Messiah. The blessed children born of you are better than Jesus, for whom God prepared 4,000 years."​


    JESUS DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH EVEN 1000 TIMES WHAT MOON DID

    God's Day 1990 Morning Address (first link above)

    "Jesus never achieved a thousandth of what Father has done. In his (Ed: Jesus) two years and eight months of public ministry, he didn't even establish the national foundation. Now, Father has established a foundation of worldwide power that is unprecedented in history."

    and, my particular favorite, straight from the Unification.net site, from the March 3, 1976 offering:

    JESUS NOT ALLOWED IN HEAVEN - JESUS NOT LOVED AS A SON BY GOD

    SUN MYUNG MOON
    THE LIBERATION OF HEAVEN AND EARTH
    March 3, 1976 Choongang Training Center Kyungki-do, Korea

    "Even Jesus is not in the Kingdom of Heaven. When I saw him, he was in Paradise. Did Jesus, who came in order to liberate the world, fulfill his mission? No, so his mission is not over yet. Since his mission was not completed, he could not be victorious for the liberation of the world and be loved as a son by God. This is the path of the Unification Church today."
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    I'm hoping someone here can put those quotes in better context, and/or show how they are outright lies.... Even on the Uni's own web site.
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    This is blasphemus Moon is a False prophet. The other day i asked Fog what would happen when Moon dies, whos going to tell him what to think, whos going to tell what to do, whos going to tell him how what to say to act etc, Is there a new moon on the horizen.

    I think i know the answer Moon may think he immortal, if he believes all of the above why wouldn't he.
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    i'm thinking very seriously of buying the essential book on Moonie-ism by K. Gordon Neufeld.

    Heartbreak and Rage
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    Here's a hand: pray to Jesus and ask him what HE thinks of Rev. Moon. That should settle it for you and you won't even need to pander to the inherent bias and fear that most people have of the unknown. Manning-up is SOOOOOO much more .... manly. Being a mere rabble rouser is so ..... pathetic.



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    Poll:
    1 Why is it OK to trash Moon
    2 Why is it considered Racist to trash Allah

    :confused::confused::confused:

    More Poll:
    1 Moon doesn't bomb, behead, amputate or make wives sit in the back seat.

    2 Allah bombs, beheads, amputates and treats donkeys better than wives.

    Why is it Ok to trash Moon but Racist to Trash Allah
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    That's great. Thanks so much.

    Again:

    1) did he or did he not say those critical things about Jesus?

    2) who is K. Gordon Neufeld, and what has he allegedly lied about?
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    by the way, there can never be any doubt now as to who's been running around 1-starring threads.

    It was you, Fog, it was always you.

    Looking forward to your direct answers to those two questions above.

    Did he say those things?

    Who is Neufeld?
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    Is asking a question in an attempt to start intelligent discourse.. trashing someone????
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    Do not feed the trolls...

    Fog?

    Did Moon not say those things about Jesus?
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    Lat night i started thinking about something after fog posted this:

    "In China there is NO freedom of religion, NO freedom of speech, NO freedom of conscience; the government decides EVERYTHING, and the government is controlled by the one and only party in China: the communist party".
    It seems to me there are a lot of parallels between Communism and cults. I could take fogs communist list above and say Well it sounds pretty much what life is like in the Unification Church. If you belong to the Uni Church do you have

    The communists are headed by strong leaders such as Stalin, Mao, and Castro.......The Unification Church...Rev. Moon

    From what i remember of the Uni Church you had to give your possessions to the church for the greater good. Same thing in communist country you can't own much the state does.

    Freedom of thought ....No

    Freedom of consciance....No

    Freedom of speech....No

    Freedom to chose where you live ...seems not

    Freedom to chose what you want to do ....NO

    The communist party decides everything..So doesn't Rev. Moon as far as i can tell.

    The communist have an army and police.....The Uni Church may not have an army or police as we know them but i'm sure you can't express anything other than what Moon wants other wise you'll be turned in.

    One other thing, the communists don't tell newly weds what positions to use on the wedding night.

    I'm also not sure if China is communist any longer.
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    I notice the some of the same people in this forum who love to call members racists also routinly like to be racists vs certain religions. Guess they need a release of some kind. To clueless to realize their own racist tendacies. Makes them feel supierior in their own skin. Mental racism, physical racism, religious racism are all the same. Guilt forces the unconcious to overtake the conscious mind. The conscious mind disguises the inner subconscious racisms. Feeble humans and every one an obama supporter. Yeah,yahoo, root for one and nobody will know, yeah they will absolutely they already have. I ain't no Obama sideways talker, change and hope has fueled subconscios racism and the victim has been God.
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    at this point, I stopped reading... Yo-yo. ... Perhaps you should create a thread about "animals in cages." ... It's your specialty.

    anyhow, Fog?

    Moon? Rejecting Christ?

    please respond. We miss you.
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    Oh, you've done it now!!! You've gone and pulled the tail of the (paper) tigers!! They're so "liberal" they'll KILL YOU if you stand up to their totalitarianism. Now THAT'S being "liberal".

    Face it: Obama's hidden secret agenda to destroy America has been exposed; his attempt to "rock star" his way into The New World Order without God is on display in front of the lights ... and all the cokroaches are screaming for cover!!! "Oh, MOON!!!" "BAD MOON!!" "BAD FOGGY!!!" "BAD FOGBUSTER!!!". Now: "BAD LITHUANIA!!!"

    Go ahead, make my day. :D


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    You'll have to see the movie yourself.


    Don't let your head explode. Much.


    :singing:


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    My goodness have you been getting your ass kicked today. This empty response above confirms it.

    Moon's own words are indefensible for any self-respecting Christian. Your refusal to even address them only crystallizes that fact.
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    Just wanted to comment on your well thought out thread that you posted earlier in the day... the one that Patters deleted, after that everything you post is crap.. pure unadulterated crap...
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    Putting On My Moderator's Hat

    Just a note of caution. You can criticize Reverend Moon, but do not make sweeping statements about the Unification Church religion. It is against the rules of this forum to stereotype members of a religion as cultists or in any other way, even if that's what you believe.
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    Re: Putting On My Moderator's Hat

    Hi Patters. Undoubtedly, you received a whiney private message from the poster in question.

    Anyhow, perhaps you can answer the question Fog can not:

    - Can you find anywhere that proves Moon did not say those things about Christ? Or, can you put Moon's words into proper context that shows how he is somehow NOT rejecting Christ?
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    I'd like to add that I personally reject Jesus quite happily, as do a good number of irreligious people here, and the one or two other Jews here. I also have no problem noting that Moon's actions, as a figure in the news (and as a church leader,) are pretty darn suspect.

    I also accept, however, that religious belief itself involves belief in outrageous premises if taken as statements of objective fact. This conversation of course belongs next door.

    But here's the weird part: Moon's statements as a refutation of Jesus are only blasphemous to Christians... and they are not much more blasphemous than statements by Christians regarding their "predecessor" religion, Judaism, from a Jewish point of view. We Jews -- particularly the Orthodox variety -- are the ones that came up with the talking snake and the multiple killings of Goliath, just as examples. For that matter, I as a reform Jew am constantly coming up with viewpoints that are blasphemous to Orthodox Jews.

    Jesus was a cult leader, just a much more successful one. One man's blasphemy is another man's faith.

    So Foggy's a Moonie, not a Christian. "Blasphemy" is just not that strong a charge in a forum with multiple religious viewpoints represented.

    PFnV
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    Fog is Fredo .... :confused2: [​IMG]
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    What he said ... Patters .... :yeahthat:
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    I don't disagree with much from your entire quote. But the above sentence is what I'm getting at. I'd like him to admit that his leader claims to be more exhaulted than even Christ.

    He's gone to bed now, no doubt praying that this direct challenge blows over. It won't be blowing over.

    I at least hope to learn if Fog a) rejects that Moon ever said those things, or b) spins them to mean something else.

    I also would like to know if Fog is familiar with K. Gordon Neufeld.
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    Several times before on this list I have copiously and repeatedly posted links to where anybody may find out what True Father Moon believes, teaches, and lives:

    Exposition of the Divine Principle - 1996 Translation

    Rev. Sun Myung Moon Official Website

    Reverend Sun Myung Moon, Moonies, and the Unification Church in their own words

    Unification Home Page - Church Teachings

    In addition there are many more sources of what Father Moon ACTUALLY teaches and lives -- NOT to be confused with what OTHERS (with their OWN agendas) have said he teaches and lives -- such as: Pyeong Hwa Shin Gyeong (Peace Messages), available in English, Peace Messages from Rev. Sun Myung Moon. and Cheon Seong Gyeong, a large book (some 2500 pages in English) http://www.truelove.org/

    There is also now a completed Autobiography by Father Moon, a book that has been on the Best-Seller list in Korea since the time it went on sale earlier this year -- ranking #7 last month -- which will soon be available in English.

    As to Father Moon's teachings on Jesus, the Divine Principle, a teaching which Father Moon RECEIVED from Heaven -- it's not something he made up while walking the fields of nature or in some monastic study -- says that Jesus is "the only begotten Son of God", born without original sin, and who came to establish God's Heavenly Kingdom on earth. This was God's will for Jesus, and Jesus did his best to fulfill it, though he died at the hands of ignorant people before he could complete the task.

    Since God's will is unchanging, this means that there MUST BE a Second Coming of the Messiah. Although he never sought after or even dreamed of being called to this mission, Jesus did in fact call Father Moon to carry on and complete his mission to build God's Kingdom on earth, when he appeared spiritually to the young Sun Myung Moon in 1936.

    To understand the role of True Father Moon one must first clearly understand the role of Jesus as God called him. To understand why Jesus did NOT complete God's calling for him one only need understand that Jesus himself said "he would return", and that "the last days" would be a time of great confusion, chaos, and upheaval because the world that God has always intended for humankind is very different from the selfish self-centered world that has existed from the time Adam and Eve fell in the garden of Eden. Please refer to the Divine Principle mentioned above in this post (Exposition of the Divine Principle - 1996 Translation).

    Anyone with sincere questions, comments, or complaints are welcomed. Bring 'em!!

    TRUE peace and TRUE love to all.

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    Another guy saying he's is the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ, never heard about this before...........Never thought the second comming of christ would need 4-5 mansion's to live in and millions of dollar but w/e.......

    Few names for you:

    José Luis De Jesús Miranda

    James Warren

    Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles

    Simon Bar Kosiba

    Maitreya

    Claude Vorilhon's

    and a few more List of messiah claimants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now if you don't know who these people are, go look them up will do you a world of good.
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    Press, Press, Press... okay the Neufeld thing is past me. But in terms of successor religions, come on!

    I can answer that one!

    "Moon's Unification Church is the only Christian church, because alone of all denominations it seeks to complete and perfect Christianity, and anybody else who calls himself a Christian really isn't one, because he mistakenly believes Christ to be the end of the story."

    Before that,

    "Christians are the only real Jews, because people who call themselves Jews fall short of perfect obedience to commandments, and the whole commandment system was only tried out so people could understand how imperfect they are so that the necessity of accepting Jesus could be demonstrated blah blah blah perfected Jews blah blah blah Mel Gibson Anne Coulter yadda yadda yadda..."

    Successor religions must always denigrate the predecessor religion. In the bible, there was a tremendous interest in denigrating the lay impression that local Canaanite deities could coexist with the Jewish God. Yet archaelogical finds turn up objects incribed with references to "[God's name], and his Asherah." Some interpret that to mean Asherah was taken by some to be God's consort, and others say it means only that Asherah was taken to be a lower deity in a pantheon... but certainly, there was an acknowledgment of polytheism, even if worship was owed to only one God.

    But official Judaism of the time was obsessed with the monotheistic project, and wiping out these practices was the obsession... even if El does appear throughout the region, El as used in the Hebrew bible as another name for [God's name] (and of course, Elohim, "the Els") is the only acceptable use.

    Over time, Elohim became understood as a name for God with a funny construction; Over time, the victory for monotheism was won by the incorporation and supplanting of the predecessor religions. This is only to say that the vocabulary of religion uses loan words, of course. Unfortunately for the modern-day cultist, each loan word (Jesus, for instance,) is tremendously charged.

    PFnV
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    Actually, Fog did not contact me, but he objected earlier to my criticism of Reverend Moon. In my opinion, it's okay to criticize an individual be it Gandhi, MLK, the Pope, or any other religious leader, but criticizing the religion itself is simply against the rules of the forum.

    Moon holds some very odd beliefs from what I've read, but to tell you the truth you'd be hard pressed to find a religion that didn't say some odd things in the fine print.
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    Did you read the opening post, moon is constantly trashed on this forum as is Chritianity but the religion that still kills in it's name is never mentioned, a member of the Islamic religion recently carved his wifes head off with a steak knife right here in America because she wanted a divorce, when somebody posted the story on this forum they were called racists by the goody goody wonderful gentle loony liberals.

    Why does American Liberalism have this love affair with Islam, they still in this day and age Carve Human Heads Off, they treat women like dogs and they still put human beings out in the yard and throw rocks at them until they are dead, they still give 20 lashes with a bull whip to young girls for smiling at men.........

    The same Liberals that slobber over Islam are the same liberals that go nuts if an American Cop tasers a Murderer or slaps a criminals face

    :confused::confused::confused:
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    How many suggest Christ didn't do enough, and/or that he is not in the Kingdom of Heaven, as the Moons suggest?
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