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    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/28/D8LMC4600.html

    "The government discriminates against blind people by printing money that all looks and feels the same, a federal judge said Tuesday in a ruling that could change the face of American currency.

    U.S. District Judge James Robertson ordered the Treasury Department to come up with ways for the blind to tell bills apart. He said he wouldn't tell officials how to fix the problem, but he ordered them to begin working on it."


    I guess we have nothing else to spend money on. Man, things just get stupider and stupider.
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    It's not that crazy an issue. The government periodically redesigns money to discourage counterfeiting, so maybe during a redesign they could consider the needs of the blind.
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    I'd agree that this is a dumb issue for a federal judge to be involved in, but how come nobody at the US Treasury or Congress thought of this before? The Euro bills are all different size, is it so hard, or do we just not care about a problem if it doesn't directly affect us?
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    It's nutty. Almost everything "discriminates" against the blind or deaf. We can't re-design everything for everyone.
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    You're right, but like Bill Belichick says: you fix what you can control and the stuff you can't control you have to let go. So we might not be able to design a safe car for the blind, but money is easy.
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    American Currency Unfair To The Blind (another moron liberal)

    Are you kidding me...? Who is the retard liberal that made this ruling...? Apparently the way we currently print currency is "unfair to the blind" because they have no way of differentiating one bill from the next. And some liberal moron judge (and yes, he is a liberal, go look it up if you don't believe me) wants this oppressive practice to stop. He doesn't know how to fix the problem but, dadgummit, it better be fixed and soon.

    You can take this moronic logic and extrapolate that basically anything anyone does that involves sight discrimates against the blind, so that activity must be halted immediately.

    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/28/D8LMC4600.html
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    Re: American Currency Unfair To The Blind (another moron liberal)

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    Actually, money isn't easy. One of the problems the treasury department has is if they conform with the federal judge's orders, it will make American currency easier to counterfeit.

    This is just more liberalism out of control. You will never find a bigger threat to common sense than liberalism. Like how drive-thru ATM's are legally required to be equipped with braille.
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    A Clinton appointee, what did you expect from him... otoh, every Gov't bldg has to be handicap accessible, overall there are so many adjustments made for the handicapped so why shouldn't money be friendly to the blind, a simple fix is to make it different sizes and maybe different weights.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Robertson_(judge)
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    Specifically how would it make money easier to counterfeit?
    Do you know any blind people? I don't, but can imagine how difficult life would be for them. I think different-sized bills would be good for everyone as well as the handicapped. Nothing wrong with trying to help disabled people. Are you against helping anyone at all? Blind people are not any more lazy, criminal, stupid, ugly, than you are.
    Gotta ask yourself, "What would Jesus do?"
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    LOL. I'm sure you won't find a link to support that absurd statement (except maybe at an equally absurd right-wing site). You don't even know how the treasury department would conform to the judges order. Would they do it by inserting a tactile element, by changing the sizes, by changing the shapes, by adding holes, or even something else.
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    Where do you pull this sh!t from? How is it going to make it easier to counterfeit? I can think of an easy solution: braile dots in the corner. Most of us wouldn't even notice they're there. How about some good ol' American ingenuity?
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    There different sizes for a number of reasons. Namely, because the older generation is extremely uneducated, and one of the ways to ease the ontroduction of a new currency and corresponding values, was to make bigger=more. My parents are both italian immigrants, and I've been to Italy every year since was born. So I have an idea of what I am talking of. One of the problems with the currency having different sizes is handling it. When you have a 5 Euro to a 500 Euro being used regularly (they do not have a 1 Euro in paper currency), the size differences become an issue. A 100 Euro bill doesn't come close to fitting in a wallet. Plus, with size being an attribute, the EU had to eliminate 1 dollar paper currency in favor of coins. This was a bad idea. They use 1 & 2 Euro coins. Everytime you go out, you come home with 3 pounds of coins in your pocket, and it tends to be about 15-20 Euros in cash. Really sucks.
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    Good God, when will these people ever learn?

    Do you really think that any changes on paper money will hlep the blind? Honestly if they added some raised feature to the money, by the next day, counterfiet versions of it would be out.

    Did anyone see Ray? He used to demand to be paid in ones so he could count the money.

    With the introduction of debit cards, cash is becoming obsolete, execpt in the criminal world. I bet that the blind use debit cards in lieu of cash as it is, this is another ridiculous ruling, once again, judges "just making stuff up"
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    Where did the counterfiet bullcrap come from? The money would look exactly the same but have a few raised dots. Nobody's saying that you remove all the other safeguards, you just add some dots or change the size of some bills.
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    ROFL! Now THAT is funny!
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    I don't think we need to make this an issue of not wanting to help people. I'm kinda getting tired of people using that as a criticism of those in here who don't want to blank check anything that may "help" someone. If we could, we'd all like to put a million more cops on the street, or send every kid to Harvard, but realistically, such is not practical. The issue for some with currency and the blind, is whether or not a complete redesign of our currency makes sense. It seems as if their have been blind people since the dollar was introduced, so somehow they have managed to survive until now. I'm not sure if they've experienced massive hardships or not, and I am curious. The question from me is, would the costs, both physical and financial, be worth the level of improvement that might be gained with a redesign?
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    We are talking about counterfiets aimed specifically at the blind. You wouldn't even have to bother with any of the other engravings, just counterfeit the dots and hand the blind guy a stack of them made on decent paper. The point is that if they did go to the expense of adding a feature for the blind, it would quickly become useless, or untrustworthy at best. They have pocket size document scanners for the blind for this very pupose. The GSA employs many blind people in federal buildings and they usually work at the snack bar. You just put your money into the scanner, it reads it aloud (a voice sill say one dollar, ten dollars, etc.) and the guy gives you your change. It seems to work well for them. It is basically the same scanner that is in every Coke machine in the country, so it can not be that difficult to find.

    In the immortal words of Harry Callahan, "a man's got to know his limitations"

    Their are certain obstacles that the blind must deal with, and you simple can not burden society with curing all the ills of everyone in the world.

    What's next, are they going to sue GM because they don't make cars that the blind can drive?
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    I have to admit I've never considered the hand-held scanners option, that might actually be a better idea than redesigning currency.
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    Wow, never knew they had pocket size scanners for the blind.

    http://www.brytech.com/noteteller/index.htm

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    I don't see what the big deal is. The treasury department redesigns money periodically. If it changed the shape, such as made $1 bills square, it might not prevent every form of fraud, but it would present some, and it probably wouldn't cost anything additional. If we can help the blind for free or a very small cost, why not? I think it's good that the treasury dept. has been asked to look into the matter. I see nothing wrong with that.
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    Well, there is a cost associated with it, like retooling every single vending machine that accepts dollar bills. Of course it would be cheaper to leave the $1 how it is and change the other bills, but there are plenty of machines that take $5's, $20's, and even $50's and $100's (like bill-breaking machines in casinos). So there IS a cost, the question is are there better alternatives? Now that I know about handheld scanners, I believe there are.
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    Guys, the cost would be staggering. You'd have to spend to redesign the entire group of bills, educate the public about them, refit/make new machines to print the bills, reconfigure vending machines to accept differentlt shaped bills, redesign every money drawer that deals with current US currency, create a massive campaign to swap out the old and redistribute the new bills to ensure that the old bills cease circulating, and would force every citizen to throw out their old wallets.

    Redistributing would be the biggest problem. You'd have to either make the old currency valueless, thus forcing people to swap out at a bank for the new stuff, or you would have to have dual circulation, where you use both, and have institutions swap out the bills gradually. The former is a headache of monumental porportions, and the second defeats the purpose of making life easy on the blind. Personally, it'd be far cheaper to buy every blind person a pocket scanner, and just keep current currency the same.
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    I see all your points.
    I wasn't actually making an issue of "helping people" - just busting QuiGon's nuts. I also get a kick out of people who think the cost for helping disabled Americans who, through no fault of their own, actually need our help (and deserve it solely by virtue of being our fellow Americans) but think the massive waste of money the government spends on corporate subsidies and the occupation of Iraq is justifiable. Just makes me laugh.
    I am obviously biased in favor of disabled Americans. Even though I belong to the Libertarian Party, I make an exception for government mandates and spending because in the long run, money spent on these causes comes back in productivity and it is the right thing to do. I am also interested in the costs vs. improvement of quality of life, as well as alternatives to all scenarios.
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    What part of the following sentence pulled from the article do you not understand?

    "Government attorneys argued that forcing the Treasury Department to change the size of the bills or add texture would make it harder to prevent counterfeiting."
    How about some good ol' American common sense? To quote you: "Where do you pull this sh!t from?" Are you really so moronic as to think braille dots on currency are going to survive the rigors of being handled and re-handled by masses or people...?
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    Well, thank you for admitting something I've known all along: You don't really have anything intelligent to say, you don't have any insightful ideas or solutions, and you just respond for the pleasure of making a jackass out of yourself.
    There's a surprise... another liberal moron that takes a thread that has nothing to do with Iraq, but mentions Iraq anyway... and yeah yeah, I know you always like to say you aren't a liberal but ya know what...? If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
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    This is kind of a difficult topic for me.

    Both my parents were born blind.

    They both went to the Perkins School for the Blind....My father was a Piano Tuner for 50 years.

    My mother was a Piano teacher and she graduated from the N.E. Conservatory of Music and attended the Julliard School in N.Y.

    They were extremely intelligent and resourceful.

    In the 50's and 60's,when I grew up,you would not believe the discrimination suffered by blind people.

    Landlords would't rent to my parents because they believed they would burn down the house.Cab drivers would take my mother on a $15 mystery ride on a normal $5 cab ride,etc.etc.

    That being said.....my parents would be aghast at the suggestion that we change our currency,just for the Blind.

    They always considered themselves,just
    normal people without sight.That's all.

    I didn't think they were normal,I thought they were extraordinary.
    My mother especially,I thought was the most intelligent person I ever met.
    (in her spare time,she wrote nine books,both in Braille and typewritten,
    alas,none were published.)

    I remember many occassions when people gave my parents the "wrong"
    change intentionally,but that's not something to be fixed by putting dots on our bills.

    I think this is a "fix",like giving radar to blind people,so they can drive.
    ergo,well meaning but,nonsense.

    I can picture my mother smiling about this.
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    They should the judge to pound sand. Judges aren't royalty, and they have regularly overstrpping their bounds. Matters involving the Treasury are the pervue of the Executive Branch with oversight from teh Legislative. This is no business of the Judicaial Branch.

    They should impeach this guy to prevent more overstepping by this moron.
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    Go *** yourself, Jedi loser. How do ya like this guy? Spend money for Iraqi freedom and oil companies but screw the Americans here whe need help. What a piece of dung.
    Better be careful. This thread could be about you if you keep up polishing your bishop in front of your Luke Skywalker poster.
    Get your head out of your R2D2.
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    QuiGon's like the character Stephen Colbert plays. He gets his "facts" from his gut, he doesn't need to look them up in some stinkin' book. Then he uses those facts to come up with beliefs, and his beliefs help his gut generate more facts.

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