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  1. Warren=underrated

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    A collection of random thoughts on the draft:

    #1: One of the best things about this draft, IMO, is that we didn't take a center. That implies the rumors about Koppen being done are BS, which makes me very happy. Ditto us not drafting a SS early, which implies RH's rehab is coming along as well.....maybe he won't start the season on the PUP list afterall.

    #2: Chad Jackson must be a great player if Belioli was willing to trade up for a receiver of all things.

    #3: Mills was a great pick. He was the highest ranked guy at his position, is extremely versatile, and should be a big upgrade over Pass.

    #4: At first I was confused as to why we would take a TE on day #1, but after a little more thought, I like the pick. Whoever we drafted at TE was basically guaranteed to make the team, so it seems reasonable to not be stuck with a 7th round bust or UDFA. In fact, considering that he's filling a currently empty spot, I guess you could say this pick represents our largest upgrade of the draft.:) The pick also suggests more double TE sets, which, IMO, is a very good thing.

    #5: I was also pleased that we didn't draft a CB in the 1st round like many draft "experts" were predicting. Hobbs and Samuel are young/underrated, and will keep improving if given the chance. Letting young players develop before throwing more picks away is a wise choice; just ask the Lions.

    #6: The O'Callaghan (sic?) pick was another good one IMO. If it weren't for all the injuries (the guy has hurt his hand and had several shoulder surgeries in the recent past) he would have been a much higher pick. In the middle rounds I think you can afford to risk a single pick on a highly talented, but injury prone guy. It'll also be nice to make Kazcur actually compete for the starting job at RT job.

    #7: I don't really know what to think about the late picks. I guess at that point your just looking for guys who can potentially make the team. If Belioli thinks the guys we got are best equiped to do so, then I'm happy about that.
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    Don't forget Gay. Gay is actually better than Hobbs, although everyone on this board continually forgets it.
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    I like him too, but he is coming back from an injury, whereas Hobbs (so far as I know) is 100% ready to go.
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    What makes you say that? Genuienly curious. I'm a big fan of Blue, really am, but I think I expect The III to have more impact over the long run.
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    I'm with you. I see Hobbs as the clear number 1 corner with Warfield, Samuel and Gay going into camp to fight it out for number 2.
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    I agree on the Center thing - unless there was just never a value they liked, you have to conclude that they're comfortable with Koppen's rehab and Hoch as the backup. Of course, then there's Koppen's impending FA - as I type this I get the feeling maybe the lack of a Center draftee was more to do with never finding a good value because between Koppen's rehab and one year left it's hard to believe they wouldn't draft a Center.
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    I wouldn't put much stock in them not taking a center. Even though the center makes the lines calls, the Pats last two centers were rookies when they started.
    Did BB chose a RB as a way of getting a jab in at his old tormentor Polian and the Dolts?????
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    No Center?

    Interesting that they didn't even take a fly'er on Degory or Ross. Hmm
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    Not to jinx Chad or anything, but didn't BB take Bethel Johnson about the same spot as he took Jackson?
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    Branch too ;)
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    Yep... traded up for him too. D'oh!!!
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    Samuel is the #1 CB on this team, even if Law comes back. You can take that to the bank.
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    I think you had some interesting comments.

    But you seem to assume that the Patriots are making draft picks with a heavy influence of what they 'need' or don't need. There is a pretty strong indication that they are truly picking the player still on the board whom they consider the most likely to make the team and contribute the most - without much regard to what they 'need'.

    However, while it doesn't seem to be mentioned much, there may be a very small element of need when the Pats merge their horizontal draft board into a vertical one - where if two players of different positions are rated/valued exactly the same, they might give the nod to the position where they have a need. That presumes, though, that there would be two players rated/valued the same at that slot.
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    What bank is that? The mythical Piggy Bank? Please...... Asante is a good player and I like him on my team but please.........

    One of my question marks was why the 4th round pick on the kicker? I don't recall any other kickers drafted? Might be wrong about that but still seemed a waste of a pick when we could signed him regardless ..... :rocker:
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    The #1 slot CB - yes indeed ;)
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    Johnson was taken in the middle of the 2nd round at 45th pick. Branch was picked at the bottom of the 2nd round at 65th pick.

    So they picked Jackson higher than both of those guys.

    Edit: Johnson was the 45th pick.
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    One could only assume that they really thought he could be a very very good chance to be a top NFL kicker and wanted to make sure they got him.
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    Probably that and they may have thought there was a very real chance someone else would take him. Remember we all thought we could have traded down and still taken Mankins - only to find out SF was planning on taking him with the very next pick.

    I think Belichick really likes this guy. He's a good athlete and has been sucessful despite sharing time between football and baseball. I assume Belichick thinks he has some serious upside when he spends 100% of his time on football.
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    Neither Bethel Johnson nor Branch were one of the consensus top two in the draft (but no guarantees)

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    Take it to the BANK, BelichickFan! Barring injury, Samuel is your starting LCB. And I, for one, am prefectly comfortable with that.
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    I haven't forgotten Gay. I think Gay is actually better than the 2006 version of Samuel, but I believe that right at the moment Hobbs has shown the most ability and by the start of 2006 will be our best corner.
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    I really don't undersatnd the infatuation with Samuel. Sure he delivers some great hits, but overall, he is the CB that gets targeted and picked on the most. That is a pretty dubious distinction considering the CB corps over the last two seasons.
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    Isn't this just another way to say that we do draft at least, in part, based on need? Afterall, won't the guys who play the positions that we are the weakest at have the best chance to make the team and contribute the most?
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    Dang, I didn't remember us moving up for Bethel. Kinda screws up my point, doesn't it? :)
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    Ditto.

    I think it's funny that during the pre-draft talk about Marshall a huge deal was made about well he tackles, but the same gets overlooked when it comes to Samuel. He can cover too, and is a nice overall player for us.
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    He gets targeted because (a) he's always covering the opponent's best WR and (b) because the opposite CB spot is a revolving door. They throw to the other side plenty of times, it's just not the same guy. Samuel did have a bunch of poor games at the beginning of last season, but he was a real solid #1 CB at the end of the year and in the playoffs, just as he was all of 2004.
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    He was not the number 1 at the end of last year Hobbs was. Samuel was not consistenly asked to cover oppnents' number 1 WR either. Samuel's play actually seemed worse as the season progressed and teams began to shy away from Hobbs (who got picked on early when he became a starter) and threw more balls towrds Samuel.
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    Warren, good comments. I have some additional thoughts on a few of your random thoughts:

    #1: I absolutely believe the Pats were taking players off their board based on "best available" at the time of their picks. BB stated this in his press conference last night. Therefore, I don't believe that the absence of a center or any other position in their selections is any indication of the health status of any current player. Remember, they still have a lot of cap room and can now troll for the next wave of FAs. What they do in the next few weeks will be more telling.

    #3: Agree with you about Mills. I think he's a football player who will see a lot of action on STs and various offensive sets. However, I don't necessarily think they've targeted a replacement for Pass with Mills. Mills will likely play the traditional H-back position or what BB refers to as an F-back. Most likely that formation will appear on short yardage and 3rd down plays where blocking and a dump off receiver can provide more options to keep the defense off balance. I like Mills a lot, and he has the potential to be used in many ways.

    #4: Drafting a TE was one of the more significant decisions on draft day and is the pick I think most resembles a need. You're right that Thomas is filling an empty slot (Fauria), but this has even more implications beyond just making sure TEs are available in emergencies or as replacements. This move along with the Mills pick frees up Watson to move around in certain circumstances as a TE/WR. What a beast as a WR, eh? It gives the team extreme flexibility, and I like the idea of Watson being able to line up wide inside the red zone and be a receiver going on a flag route. Brady will like it too! This is the pick that surprised me the least and made me happy with the possibilities.

    #6: I like the O'Callaghan pick as well. He's dominant on the OL and would have gone much higher had he not had the injury history. This is most likely a calculated choice as BB/SP don't tend to do anything without preparing first. Bet they've checked him out and have a plan for him. If he remains injury free, this guy can be a dominant lineman for the Pats for years to come. Great move! However, I believe you'll see him playing alongside Kaczur at some point rather than competing with him. One will play RG, one will play RT. Nice combination! Kaczur will have his breakout season as a sophomore. The kid is too good to spend much time on the bench.
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    arrellbee - Agree fully on this one. BB must have confidence in Gostkowski to spend a 4th on him. He has decent size, is a good athlete, has a strong leg, and has had great success kicking in college. Grammatica must be feeling the pressure, as it appears BB has his doubts and is definitely hedging his bets with this kid. If this kid can match Grammatica in TC, my bet is that he'll win the job over the vet. They're not going to spend a 4th for nothing. Should be interesting . . .
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    I think you're out there on your own with this one, my friend. I'll be surprised and mildly disappointed if Asante (who I do like) even starts next year. But he'll be a great nickel.

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