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Molden Was Beat But VY Gave Him a Gift

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    Yes, the ball was under thrown, but at the same time he showed great closing speed on the reciever. If we are going to play revisionist historian, I am going to say he was closing to make a play on the ball.
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    VY missed another should be TD or at the least a trip to the red zone.

    We've been fortunate that this rash of DB/LB injuries came during a stretch of Sanchez/Palko/VY/Panter. I'm encouraged by the defense but important to remain cautiously optimistic
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    Wow, good thing he didn't complete it, that would have changed everything.


    Great idea for a weekly ESPN Football show though, one hour every week with Kordell Stewart and Merrill Hoge: Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda---DAMN!
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    I don't know if everyone else saw it, but the play where Solder almost missed a block was almost as important.

    The Pats really squeaked one out on pure luck yesterday.
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    You can't close in on a WR who just blew by you and getting seperation. He closed in on the ball BECAUSE it was underthrown. Had VY led Desean the way Vick has done time and time again it's 6 points
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    My personal favorite is, "when if's and buts are candies and nuts, we'll all have a wonderful Christmas".
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    holy fudging shat puck.. we are at this point around here?
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    stick around...by next week you'll think we were 1-9...
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    He did the same thing last week and Amukamara picked him off. Tiquan gave the eagles a gift so were even:D
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    I thought it was neat seeing a big play from a different camera angle.

    Can't someone make an observation based on an in-stadium camera angle that was not available to the TV viewers?

    Wasn't making a point about the game in general. Just that a different camera angle can put light on a particular play. I thought it was pretty interesting.

    Ease up, Frances.
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    Why stop at Painter?

    Tebow,Grossman or Beck,Moore and Fitzpatrick aren't making any Defense scared either,the piss poor QB train rolls well into January.

    If the Pats get a bye and Oakland or Houston wins their opening playoff game then it might be until the AFCCG until a QB emerges that is a challenge to a poor defense.
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    Yeah you guys are acting like pointing this our is trying to discredit the win altogether.

    We're talking about one play where we got fortunate
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    No way, when did they pick up the win?
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    Well I'm assuming that we'll get some if not all of the major injuries by the Denver game, so I was referring to the teams we play with our DB/LB's depleted. But yeah, there is a good chance we don't face a good QB until the SB if we make it that far.
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    So do you have video of the entire Steelers-Chiefs game?

    Our 4th string corners are better than the Iggles 2nd string QB. That's what it boils down to.
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    That's because many around here are getting really really sick of the neverending misery and negativity of other Patriot "fans." Crapping on a bad team makes some sense, crapping on one that has been winning at almost 75% for the last 10 years is beyond stupid and really tiresome.
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    You're saying Antwaun Molden was beat? I find that hard to believe.

    I, on the other hand, give him credit for actually looking for and catching the ball while only committing marginal pass interference and managing not to spastically trip all over the receiver.

    Small victories.

    Molden has been beat on every pass route I've ever seen him try to defend. Why he's playing ahead of Adams is a mystery to me.

    That said, nice play Antwaun!!!
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    Almost had a heart attack as we "squeaked" out that 38-20 win.
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    I hear you on the negativity but this thread isn't crapping on anybody
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    Just as many people are tired of the constant whining about anything remotely negative, and the insistence on trying to turn even the most negative things into positives.

    This sort of thing works both ways.
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    You are way over critical her Shmess. But in one sense you are right if VY had thrown the perfect pass like he did earlier, it would have been completed......just like every other pass ANY QB throws in the game. There IS no way a DB can defend a perfectly thrown pass.

    However, after looking at the clip several times I think played it perfectly. I would contend that he was in man coverage on the WR and his proper technique would be to play the man from the underneath position with expected help over the top from the S. If you want to criticize someone, look at the S. I would say he was a bit late getting over there

    BTW-what would YOU say would have been the correct position. If he stayed deeper than the WR, then he''d never be in position to cover ANY back shoulder fades, deep hooks, or in cuts, By playing the "under" position he's be in much better position to cover those 3 routes, and like I said before there should be S help over the top, but whoever the safety was on that play (I think Moore) didn't get deep enough in his drop and was a bit late breaking to the sideline.

    BTW- in the long pass to Cooper early in the game. I've see replays and if you notice Arrington COULD have stayed deep the Cooper, but decided to be aggressive and by choice undercut him to take the inside position, and was beaten by the perfect pass. Anything less, and Arrington would have had a pick. If you get a chance to see a replay of that play I think you'll agree with me.
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    Riley Cooper got lucky as Arrington was in position to make a play if only he had extended his arm and looked for the ball. He was right there. :rolleyes:
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    Molden is playing the correct trail technique in a cover 1 look which is exactly why he got the interception! He is responsible for the underneath and the high safety is responsible for over the top help.

    You will see the single high safety look (top of the screen with corners in press, and that we are in a 44 reduced stack (middle backers in 40 tech), but the important thing to notice is that the play itself is a well executed play action which is why Moore as the SHS gets such a late start on trying to get on top of the play. Nobody made any mistakes here except Young, but if you were to nitpick, I think Moore could have broke as soon as he saw Young look strongside, because Young isn't going to play sophisticated football and trap you with fake looks like Brady does.
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    LMAO, i guess you don't like it when people point out that you are acting like a b.tch. They win 75% of the time and they have won more SB's than any other team the past 10 years, there is NOTHING to b.tch about and the constant pissing and moaning is disgraceful. Belichik has kept the team on top while replacing a dynasty around his QB, it doesn't get any better than that. They have won 22 of their last 27 with a playoff loss and all the b.tches can talk about is how much they suck.
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    I agree his coverage was pretty good, of course a safety should have been closing.

    Still find him to have been very awkward in coverage previously, compared to any of our no namers except maybe Sergio Brown.

    I'm an Adams booster until i see a reason not to be.

    Could we have a decent safety threesome once Chung's back? Could be. Just goes to show the coaching ability of BB when he's determined to find guys who will do it the way he wants in the secondary.
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    Opinion that's always in one direction, when such unanimous acclaim is clearly unwarranted, is useless. Also, you're crying about the so-called never ending negativity yet, when I simply point out that it works both ways, you go after me personally. Look to yourself rather than whining about others.

    BTW, a quick glimpse of the front page shows plenty of positive threads, including one about Edelman one about Ninkovitch, multiple threads about Brady, a thread about the "scrubendary", one about the defensive scheme and another about players exceeding expectations, just to point to some blatantly positive threads.
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    I agreed at first, but looking at it again, the coverage was actually pretty good. Jackson didn't have enough separation for VY to float it over his outside shoulder (which it looks like he was trying), and there was safety help over the middle. It would have taken quite a near perfect pass to get it in there. But hey, if every pass was perfect then every game would be a 60 point shoot-out.
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    Molden turns around and looks for the football. If that was Sergio Brown, he would have ran over the wide receiver.
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    I'm guessing those threads must have been posted by those you call Jonestown Nation."

    I'm a realist, I don't consider the Patriots the best team in football just a contender, I think Belichik was outcoached in at least 2 of their last 3 play-off losses and that the patriots deserved to lose to the Giants, I think Belichik's draft record is mixed but he still manages to find players that he didn't draft to play well enough to keep them at the top of the league, and i think this year's defense is mediocre despite getting pounded by injury, which is actually a pretty good achievement. He's rebuilding a team for the rest of his QB's career and doing a good job of it, and it is the cynics who are way off base and essentially full of sh.t as they, you included, just rip rip rip away at how much they suck and how those who support them are just toadies who smile blindly at obvious failure. I really don't know how people can look at a team that wins this much and always be unhappy but i guess that is just the way you guys are built, a shame you feel you always need to share it with everyone else.

    Keep on being miserable if that what makes you happy.
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