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  1. Aqua4Ever04

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    Here is my 35 players on the big board and my first round mock. I didn't give any explanations, just the players so feel free to ask questions and I will answer.

    Big Board

    No. Name. Position. School


    1. Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
    2. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
    3. Chris Long DE Virginia
    4. James Lauriniatis MLB Ohio State
    5. Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
    6. Calais Campbell DE Miami
    7. Matt Ryan QB Boston College
    8. Vernon Gholston DE/OLB Ohio State
    9. Jake Long OT Michigan
    10. Dan Connor OLB Penn State
    11. Kenny Phillips S Miami
    12. Antoine Cason CB Arizona
    13. Sedric Ellis DT USC
    14. Ryan Clady OT Boise State
    15. Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
    16. Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon
    17. Brian Brohm QB Louisville
    18. Aqib Talib CB Kansas
    19. Sam Baker OT USC
    20. Keith Rivers OLB USC
    21. Quentin Groves DE Auburn
    22. DeSean Jackson WR California
    23. Jake Ikegwunuu CB Wisconsin
    24. James Hardy WR Indiana
    25. Colt Brennan QB Hawaii
    26. Early Doucet WR LSU
    27. Steve Slaton RB W. Virginia
    28. D.J. Hall WR Alabama
    29. Mike Hart RB Michigan
    30. Mike Jenkins CB S. Florida
    31. Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College
    32. Ray Maualuga ILB USC
    33. Mario Manningham WR Michigan
    34. DeJuan Tribble CB Boston College
    35. Limas Sweed WR Texas

    Round 1 Mock

    No. Team. Player. Pos. School


    1. Miami- Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
    2. NY Jets- Chris Long DE Virginia
    3. New England- James Lauriniatis MLB Ohio State
    4. Oakland- Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
    5. St. Louis- Jake Long OT Michigan
    6. Atlanta- Matt Ryan QB Boston College
    7. Cincinnati- Kenny Phillips S Miami
    8. Minnesota- Calais Campbell DE Miami
    9. Baltimore- Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
    10. Kansas City- Vernon Gholston DE/OLB Ohio State
    11. Carolina- Dan Connor OLB Penn State
    12. Chicago- Quentin Groves DE Auburn
    13. New Orleans- Antoine Cason CB Arizona
    14. Philadelphia- Ryan Clady OT Boise State
    15. Denver- Keith Rivers OLB USC
    16. Buffalo- Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
    17. Arizona- Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon
    18. Houston- Steve Slaton RB W. Virginia
    19. San Diego- Sedric Ellis DT USC
    20. Washington- DeSean Jackson WR California
    21. Tampa Bay- Early Doucet WR LSU
    22. Detroit- Aqib Talib CB Kansas
    23. Seattle- Sam Baker OT USC
    24. Dallas- D.J. Hall WR Alabama
    25. Tennessee- James Hardy WR Indiana
    26. NY Giants- Ray Maualuga ILB USC
    27. Jacksonville- Mario Manningham WR Michigan
    28. Pittsburgh- Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College
    29. San Francisco- Limas Sweed WR Texas
    30. Green Bay- Mike Hart RB Michigan
    31. Dallas- Jake Ikegwunuu CB Wisconsin
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  2. DarrylS

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    New England will never pick #3, they will trade down into that latter part of round 1 and pick up some other picks.
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    James Laurinaitis is listed at about 9..no way they take him at 3...besides they wont draft an lb. unless its LT or urlacher.

    you want dorsey? he has been injured all year. qb miami? heck miami might try and trade down.

    wouldnt be surprised if pats look for a TE again. maybe an off lineman.
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    I don't include trade downs, that's too confusing and that's not how you do a mock.

    Laurinitis is the best linebacker in the draft and that's where the Pats should go. I can't name 5 players better so I don't care who ranks him at 9, they're wrong.

    Dorsey is the 2nd best player in the draft and fills Miami's biggest need. We just took a QB in the last draft in round 2, why would we take one this year?
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    ok..if beck works for you. dorsey if he stays healthy seems very good.
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    One QB in the first round?? Not gonna happen.

    Also, there's no way Atlanta takes Ryan if Petrino is still the HC. Brohm's his guy.
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    Actually, I see 3 QBs in 1st round.

    What about WR Crabtree from TexTech?
    6'3'', 222lbs.

    125 recs., 1861 yds.

    Unless he dissapoints at the combine, he will be a 1st round pick.

    And RB Rice from Rutgers could be late 1st, early 2nd round.
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    Tough call right now. Given that I would pick between Long, Laurenitis and Jenkins; although the available names fail to excite me right now, McFadden and all the QB being available would lead to a good chance at a decent trade down I would think. Worst case for me is McFadden being gone and all the QB tanking in workouts. You don't have LT Michael Oher as available but if he comes out I like him better than Long and he would be intriguing.
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    crabtree is a freshman, or redshirt freshman.
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    There were only 2 QBs taken in last year's first round. This is my way of saying the QBs are over rated.
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    Of that group I'd go Laurinitis. Jake Long is over rated and was completely owned by Vernon Gholston. Malcolm Jenkins is a BB type player, physical, strong and wants to hit. McFadden is a wildcard, I still think the Pats need to go after a line backer.
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    Gholston ate up schilling not Long. Only lined up over J.Long a couple of times and did in no way own him.
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    That's not what I saw or heard from the analyst after the game.
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    That might be true, but there are enough teams with horrendous QB play to jump at the opportunity to draft Ryan, Brohm or Woodson in the first round.
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    That was my idea as well but I went to the best player available approach for the most part. The only exception was in extreme cases for example the Patriots wouldn't take a QB if he was the BPA.
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    QB this year is very deep. Even a guy like Ainge would be the 3rd QB taken last year. This year most likely sixth. If Oakland wants McFadden they have to deal with us to get him. Laurinaitis has measurables but he's no top three pick. New England doesn't draft LB on the first day. I would rather they put Alexander in at ILB next season over these ILB in college.
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    Ainge in the 6th round? I'm saying early 2nd for him, we must be watching a different player.

    There's no reason Lauinitis can't be as good as A.J Hawk, that's why I have him top 3.
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    You need to read what I wrote. This year he will most likely be the sixth QB selected. 1 Ryan, 2 Woodson, 3 Brohm, 4 Henne, 5 John David Booty, 6 Erik Ainge, 7 Colt Brennan. Last year Ainge would have gone ahead of every QB not named Russell and Quinn. Only he's the 6th best QB this year. All of them drafted within the first three rounds as well.

    As for Laurinaitis I don't care if he's as good as AJ Hawk. He isn't coming to New England unless it's to visit Cape Cod. He isn't the third best player in the draft next spring. First round material sure, just not top five. If he didn't go to tOSU he wouldn't be nearly as "talented".
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    1. Miami- Glenn Dorsey DT LSU

    I didn't think he looked great against Arkansas.

    2. NY Jets- Chris Long DE Virginia

    I don't see why people have the Pats or Jets taking him to play in their 3-4. He's too small to play an end and I cannot see taking a conversion this early.

    3. New England- James Lauriniatis MLB Ohio State

    I'm still not convinced they take a LB on the first day and I cannot see it this high.

    6. Atlanta- Matt Ryan QB Boston College

    He's going to be a project. His ceiling is fellow alum Matt Hasselbeck and it took Hasselbeck a long time to get there.

    9. Baltimore- Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State

    Be interesting to see what his combine is like.

    10. Kansas City- Vernon Gholston DE/OLB Ohio State

    Like him a lot

    11. Carolina- Dan Connor OLB Penn State

    Way too high.

    12. Chicago- Quentin Groves DE Auburn

    I think he'll drop too.

    15. Denver- Keith Rivers OLB USC

    Denver loves LBs like Rivers.

    26. NY Giants- Ray Maualuga ILB USC

    I bet he goes back to school.

    27. Jacksonville- Mario Manningham WR Michigan

    If this is their pick he'll fit in with their other first round WR busts.
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    Dorsey ... a 6'1" short armed tub with a high motor who only runs a 5.1 40.

    Wilfork checked in at 15 lbs and 1" more than Dorsey ... ran a 5.2 and plays the nose ... Vince was picked 21st.

    I find it hard to believe Dorsey could be a better NT than Wilfork.
    There are many DL's, DE's, and OLB's better than Dorsey in the NFL now.

    Anyone who wastes a top 10 pick on him is a complete moron.

    He's a top 3 pick based on hype IMO.
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    Ahh.. I see, my bad.

    I disagree with your order of QBs. I go Ryan, Brohm, Brennan, Woodson, Ainge, Henne.

    We'll see, I just think Laurinitis is a top 5 player in the draft at the position the Pats need to adress more then any other.
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    Completely disagree. He's been playing at 75% all year since that blatant cheap shot on his knee and is still getting good push. He can rush the edge and beat tackles on the edge and take on double teams in the middle and stuff the run. His attitude is also in the exact spot it needs to be, great kid even better talent.
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    Sure ... against college talent ... too short and his arms to short to be a premier NFL player ... a good one yes ... a premier one no.
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    I definitely agree with you. Thanks for putting in the time to compile the mock draft.
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    He's 6'2''. Vince Wilfork is 6'2'' and Jamal Williams is 6'3''. What exactly do you consider to be ideal for NFL DTs?

    Does arm length really matter in a DT? I put a little more stock into technique, strength, balance, drive, speed.
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    Glad I'm not the only one, no problem. ;)
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    Arm length doesn't make or break a defensive lineman but it certainly raises their stock. One of Richard Seymour's best attributes that is rarely spoken of is his ability to bat down passes at the line of scrimmage. That has a lot to due with his height and arm length. Also shorter arms can make it more difficult to shed blocks but that is more of a concern for defensive ends going up against mauling tackles as opposed to defensive tackles up against guards and centers. Another important thing to remember is most defensive tackles coming out of college are not looking to be a nose tackle regardless if its a position they might excel at or not. Frankly its the least glorious position defensively and you are basically taught to NOT be aggressive and get up field. This was the most evident element of Wilfork's game that changed from his first year starting at the nose to his second. He actually will take a step back before he engages to put himself in a better position to slide off the block and make the tackle on the running back. Wilfork learned the position well and appears to be the definition of a team player so the transition to a 2 gap went smooth. I think many of you would agree that if Wilfork was playing the interior of a 4-3 he could get 7 or 8 sacks a year. We are fortunate that he is accepting of a nose tackle role and I pray we extend him before he goes to free agency because I don't think he will only appeal to other 3-4 teams.
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