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  1. TriplecHamp

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    Stole the idea from DI. Share your own as well.

    Free agency: Resign Wes Welker, Connolly and Branch. Sign Cliff Avril, and acquire Mike Wallace and Dashon Goldson. Edit: This is assuming that Walters and Light return and Mark Anderson is re-signed. BJGE walks to open it up for Ridley and Vereen.


    Draft: Dont'a Hightower 27th overall, Trade the 48th overall pick into 2013, Draft Brandon Boykin 63rd overall.

    Ras-I and McCourty at Corner with Arrington/Moore/Boykin splitting time in the nickel. Goldson and Chung start at safety.

    edit 2: Resign: WWW, Deion Branch, Mark Anderson, Dan Connolly, sign Mario Williams,

    Draft: Fletcher Cox 27th overall, Kendall Wright 31st overall, George Iloka 48th and Boykin 63rd.
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2012
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    Resign Welker, Connolly, Waters, Anderson, Ihedigbo, Branch, Hoyer, Slater.

    Sign Brandon Lloyd, Jordan Babineaux.

    Draft Fletcher Cox (27th), Stephen Hill (31st), George Iloka (48th), trade other
    2nd into 2013.

    Realistic cap wise, problem being FS and and OLB slightly weak.

    DE: Deaderick NT: Wilfork DE: Cox
    OLB: Ninkovich ILB: Mayo ILB: Spikes OLB: Anderson/M. Carter
    CB: Mccourty CB: Dowling SS: Chung FS: Ihedigbo/Iloka/Babineaux

    Offense is all set and the WR core is loaded with Welker, Lloyd, Hill, Branch, Edelman, Slater.
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2012
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    Re-sign Wes Welker
    Re-sign Dan Connelly
    Re-sign M. Anderson
    Re-sign D. Branch to vet minimum

    Not re-sign Law Firm, let Ocho go, assume that Light and Waters return.

    Sign Mario Williams
    Sign Braylon Edwards

    1st round draft picks: Janoris Jenkins CB, Kendall Wright WR

    Offence:

    QB: Brady
    RB 1: Ridley
    3rd down/change of pace RB: Vereen/Woodhead
    TE: Gronk/Hernandez
    Line: Light Mankins Connelly Waters Solder
    WR: K. Wright, B. Edwards
    Slot WR: Welker

    Defense:

    Line: Anderson Love Wilfork Williams(4-3)
    LB: Ninkovich Spikes Mayo Williams (3-4)
    CB: I-Dowling, Jenkins
    Slot CB: Arrington
    FS: McCourty
    SS: Chung

    Drafting Wright and picking up B. Edwards on the cheap saves us lots of $ not having to go after a pricey FA WR like Lloyd, Wallace, or Colston. This frees up the money needed to get Mario Williams. Add Jenkins at CB and the issues we had last year (pass rush, secondary, deep threat WR) are all taken care of.
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    How do you acquire Wallace and not give up a 27th or 31st ???????

    If you are collecting 4-3 Players(Avril, Andersion) why would you draft another LB when u have Mayo, Spikes, Ninkovich, Cunningham. And if you are picking 4-3 DL, why would you get a 3-4 Elephant in Mario Williams.

    Failed mock
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2012
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    He does give up the 31st pick for wallace. In his Second edit (which is his alternate plan) he uses the 31st pick and does not include wallace.
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    Impossible scenario. 20-25 million is only going to get you so far.

    Welker,Connoly,Branch,Goldson, Avril and Wallace along with the rookies is like 40 million.
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    Resign/not retire welker, branch,light,waters, carter, bjge, anderson and Slater hope I didn't miss anyone

    Sign Lloyd and tyvonne branch

    Draft mostly for d

    And my hope is some trade for someone crazy like a moss or dillon type impact preferably at wr.
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    This isn't going to be popular but here it goes,

    Welker get's franchised and after turning down the patriots final offer of 6 million a year 18 million with the bulk back loaded is franchised and traded for a mid range second round pick out of the conference.

    Light sees the writing on the wall with Vollmer and Solder doesn't like the stability and feels he is underpaid for the value he see's premier lineman couping, traded to the rams of colts for a second.

    Benjarvis Green Ellis bulks at the contract the Patriots offer of 2.5 million and he cashes in elsewhere the kind of workhorse back the Cleveland Browns need after letting Hillis walk.

    Andre Carter resigned minimum contract with incentives
    Mark Anderson retained at 2.5 million a year for 2 year contract

    Patriots retain Deon Branch at a league minimum contract with incentives,
    Patriots sign Brandon Lloyd at 2.9 million a season for 3 years who is happy to be back with Josh Mcdaniels.

    Patriots trade the number 31 pick to the Pittsburgh Steelers for the rights to Mike Wallace

    Patriots sign a stable solid defensive back in Richard Marshall 2.2 million a year 3 year contract,

    Patriots draft Harrison Smith at 27 some think it's a few spots to high but a great tackler with instincts ball skills and a knack to be in the right place at the right time gives us the free safety we haven't had since Geno Wilson was at the top of his game.

    Patriots then draft
    Whitney Mercelus
    Brian Quick
    Chandler Jones
    That's a good start for now haven't fully decided the middle to bottom rounds of the draft yet.


    Brian Quick
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    No way does Light fetch a 2nd rounder. He's gonna retire in a year.

    Lloyd will cost more then $2.9 mil per year, it will probably be at least $4 or $5 mil per year to get him.
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    I'm not arguing with your 40 million claim (I'm not going to look at it), but I believe the Patriots could have access to something over $30 million if they choose, less paid adjustments.

    $20-$25 on the 'current' cap
    $6 million brought forward if they declared for it
    $2 million borrowed from next year if they wish it

    That's $28-$33 million before adjustments (Bonuses, etc..), and it doesn't take into account potential restructures that could free up millions more.
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    Apparently they freed up another 3 million today with the cuts of Wright and Ornberger.

    I see a lot of 'fantasy' thinking in this thread, and as much as I doubt it, I hope that some of you are right!

    Lloyd for 2.9 million?

    Signing Dashon Goldson and Cliff Avril?

    Mike Wallace?

    Richard Marshall for 2.2 million per year?



    My oh my...
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    Under the radar players, from NFL.com
    NFL.com news: Under-the-radar players will be bargains on the market


    It wouldn't have the wow factor of some other big names but I would be pretty happy with:
    • Tolbert, RB/FB - replaces BJGE, Ridley takes lead role
    • Morgan, WR - replaces Stinko
    • Carriker, 3-4 DE - is about 27 years younger than Warren, adds more flexibility between 3-4 and 4-3
    • Jarrett Johnson, OLB - DE - more flexibility, replaces Carter (Carter is put on the shadow roster, he returns at the end of training camp making DE a position of strength)

    Use the draft to build depth and add competition in secondary.
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    I'm liking where you're going with this...

    Much more realistic than a lot of the fantasy wishes that we see every year.

    Affordable guys who can actually possibly come here, unlike 95% of the other players that everyone is talking about.
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    Well, plan B is Ray Rice, Mario Williams, Vincent Jackson and Brandon Carr... lets see how it plays out.
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    LOL!!!

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    offense

    re-sign Branch BJGE Welker Connolly Koppen, cut ocho and sign Cedric Benson and Josh Morgan, DRAFT (Michael Floyd WR) (Michael Brewster C) ( David Paulson TE)

    Defense

    re-sign Carter anderson Ihedigbo Slater, sign Eric Wright and Chris Hope, DRAFT (Devon Still DT) ( Markelle Martin FS ) (Jayron Hosley CB/PR/KR)


    notting sexy but dose are realistic moves i could see the pats makeing
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    I like the thought of the secondary additions, keeping all of our key players, and improving through the draft too. I like your positions chosen, and feel as though it would add good depth and competition.

    I don't agree personally with C.Benson. I don't think he's that talented, and I don't think he offers a good attitude either.

    I also wonder if Floyd will be around, and whether or not we'd choose a WR that high anyway.
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    Sounds like the Pats would like Carter to return, but nothing is going to happen for a while. Also, he'll be looking for more than a one-year deal.

    Agent: DE Carter hopeful of return - New England Patriots Blog - espnBoston



    A bit more on the comments from Carter's agent, Carl Poston here:

    It Is What It Is - Agent: Andre Carter 'Ahead Of Schedule' On Rehab, Would Welcome Return To Patriots

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    I really like the Tolbert idea but who do you think will cost more him or BJGE? I will take the cheaper of the 2.

    As JMT just pointed out looks like Carter wants back and looks like the Pats want him back no contract being discussed yet but based on the comments one would think it happens way before camp and likely before the draft too.

    Hopefully Carter doesnt expect too much because I would really prefer to have him back and or Anderson before looking at upgrades otherwise you dont really imrove depth and its hard to picture someone playing that much better than Carter did last year.
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    OK I'll bite Here is my ideal scenario with one proviso. Scenario A is one that the Pats resign Welker - Scenario B is the one where they can't. Both assume Light and Waters return

    Scenario A

    1. FA

    a. Your own - Resign - Carter, Anderson, Welker and Connolly. Let Koppen, Iheadabu, Branch and BJGE walk -
    b. additions - Sign - Michael Griffin or Goldson I don't care which - Sign a 3rd TE in an ideal world Yeatman or Smith will become available. Add a WR to compete with Ocho for Branch's snaps (under 6MM/yr) - Sign a couple of cheap vet OLmen to compete for the 9th OL position-

    2. Draft- this is my fantasy, but I'll try and be as realistic as I can and deal with just the first 5 picks and assuming we don't trade any of those into the future.

    a. By position - DL, OLB/DE, CB, WR and S
    b. my fantasy draft based on what little I know right now. Cox - for interior pass rush
    Marcilus- as an eventual Carter replacement who can play DE and OL Minnefield- another big tall CB with press coverage skill - Some tall WR with deep speed. fill in the blank - Markel Carter - to develop as a S if Barrett gets hurt again.

    Scenario B - If Welker walks

    1. FA - the same as above only you delete Welker, and upgrade the WR position and add Vincent Jackson so the 6MM/yr goes up to 9MM/yr
    2. Draft - The draft remains the same, but instead of big WR, you go for the quicker guy regardless of size, like Adams and you might even be willing to move up in the 3rd round to get him.
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