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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    Cool. So now we're back to our 2005-2006 "on the way out" status with the national media? Got it.
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    Actually no pressure is GOOD pressure
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    Funny, I looked at ESPN the Magazine's preseason predictions and Jaws has the Pats winning the division and the Jets as a Wild Card. This is why I hate when analysts do predictions. Many of them predict out of both sides of their mouths.

    Dan Marino was famous for this. He would pick one team to win on Inside the NFL and then the other on the CBS pregame show.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    WTF? Am I reading this wrong?
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    You bolded the wrong part:

    Whether he'll be right about that is soon to be determined.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    Ah.

    I think that's a bit dubious as we haven't really been reliant on TE production for a while now, but whatever.

    Apparently having young, unproven players at TE might be an issue for the Patriots, but having a young, unproven player at QB is no biggie for the Jets.
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    Tony Dungy does the same thing. I can't keep track of how many times he predicts something on the pre-game show, and then goes the other way on the half-time show.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    They also don't mention the problems with the Revis negotiations and the possibility he won't be playing for a portion of the season.

    Without Revis the Jets will have to rely on their front 3 and very questionable OLBs to be as good as they were last season.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    No, he however missed the part where NY and Miami have glaring issues on OL are trying to find some young QB's and it takes a while to determine if they can ever consistently assimilate into an offense...

    And of course they both had some issues and losses on D surface this off season, and appear to have some glaring questions about their ability to mount any offense in pre season, but why get into that...
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    After reading that quote; I am not even going to bother clicking the link :) I won't get that time back :)
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    I guess those 3 haven't been watching the pre-season games. The Jets 1st string offense has been garbage.. Unless they clone Montana into a a Sanchez look-a-like, that team will be hard-pressed to win 8 games, let alone the division.

    Now, that being said, has anyone watched the Miami games? How is their pass rush? Having lost Porter and Taylor, they are actually in a worse position at OLB than the Pats are... at least on paper.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    There is no way Jaws has actually watched any of the Jets pre-season games. He said that Holmes was a huge addition and will help out Sanchez. Unless Holmes can throw the ball, I don't see how he can help out Sanchez at all... I think if the Pats can get 11 wins, that will be good enough to win the division.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    11 wins is my minimum expectation for this season.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    Jaws and Gruden are experts. They are not experts on teams. It's actually impossible to expect anyone to be adquately knowledgeable on 32 football teams.

    Couple that with the "Manning is the GOAT" herd mentality and that's what happens.

    Both are good game analysts. However, thinking they have any insight comparable to Mo or Jack or most of this board is absurd.

    Actually, even the Douche Awry contributes more useful insight then they can.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    Seriously I think this division is so tight that even 10,maybe even 9 wins can win this division ..I would be surprised if any team wins this division by more than 1 game and would not be surprised at all to see a tiebraking situation like 2008 to determine the East champ.
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    Their pass rush has been non existent and they have a bunch of questions on both lines.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    Call me a homer...but I like the Pats POTENTIAL with their young kids on Offense (Tate,Edelman,Gronk,Hernandez,Vollmer)

    and Defense( Brace,Spikes,Chung,Butler,McCourty)...

    They should be well integrated by the time November rolls around.:rocker:
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    And if he's struggled with him in preseason how the heck will be help him in the first month of the season when they play Baltimore and three division teams while he's on suspension... And people forget when these guys are on suspension they can't even be on team property, which is why Ben is hogging the snaps in Pittsburgh this pre season...

    I think they are also assuming LaDanian will maintian that adreneline based trade fueled bounce in his step through the first month...and beyond, because if he doesn't they may be really screwed. The rookie RB isn't looking any more special than the rookie OG...

    The JETS lost a lot of veteran leaders this off season and another one this pre season. Their most talented player period is holding out with no end in sight. They've added a lot of formerly inconsistent or aging diva's to the mix, many of whom have a history of negative leadership (which is why they were available). But Rex is a hoot and everyone wants to play for him...until the losses start piling up and he has his patented meltdown. This year they may not have a core to save themselves when that happens. They will all be too busy sulking or pointing fingers under the critical glare of the NY/NJ media horde. Sanchez is going to remain a boom or bust QB they struggle to manage since pulling broken plays out of his ass is both his strong suit and his weakness. And they may not have enough elsewhere on the roster to even attempt to rein him in with traffic light playcalling this season. The entire outfit is an emotional tinderbox.

    The Dolphins have Marshall, but aside from the drops he also suffers when his QB can't find him. Henne has a strong arm, what he lacks is touch and accuracy. They have to rely on the ground game a lot which is tough to do when your OL isn't set on the eve of the season and the fascination with wildcat has run it's course.

    We all face the same schedule, only the Dolphins and Bill's face it in inverse. NE and the JETS face the toughest opponents outside the division at home, Miami has to face them on the road.

    But aside from that, it makes perfect sense to assume a team with Brady and Belichick will falter because it's not like over the last decade they've dominated the division and won with less or anything.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    After Sports illistrated predicted that Miami would win it all in '06 i stopped listening to any of these people. Oh BTW i think Miami came in fourth that year.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    I used to be harder on the national columnists, announcers and analysts than I am now. My train of thought was 'these guys get paid to do this; how can they know so little?' But if they spend two hours a week on each team then they are already up to a 64-hour week, and that would be before any production meetings, time in front of a camera, radio interviews, or writing any columns.

    I don't know how much it is done, but the only way I can see them accomplishing their job would be to rely on other researchers within the organization, and/or beat writers that follow only one team. As good as these guys may be at breaking down film or analyzing a game, there is no way that they can be experts on 32 NFL teams.
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    I think its loads easier to predict who the 5 worst teams will be rather than the 5 best teams

    You would not have to be an expert to predict that the Browns,Rams,Lions,Bills and Bucs will have double digit losses in 2010.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    Jaws did call the Jets/Giants game and if you listened to him, you would have thought Sanchez was Montana, Elway, Brady, and Manning all rolled into one.
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    IMO you realy can't be mad at them for saying that there realy has been no upgrade at any position from last year.

    QB Brady, is Brady, we know what we get from him 4000 yards and 28 TD's
    RB the same + one year older
    WR maybe a upgrade if Tate, can be a bigger part in the passing game
    TE right now it looks like a upgrade but they are rookies and it's preseason
    OL weaker with out Mankins,
    DL unless Myron Pryor, and Ron Brace, get rely good fast the DL is weaker then last year.
    LB for the most part the same as last year.
    DB again for the most part still the same


    on paper they don't look great but that what i love about football the games are not won or lost on paper and IMO the pats play with a lot more fire when they are the underdog so i like it
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    Very True :)
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    :confused:

    Spikes is already an upgrade at LB, and Tate is already an upgrade at WR3.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    I can take Jaws as long as he doesn't indulge in rumpswabbing - since once in a while he does contribute value. But Gruden I don't get; he came with a reputation of being a young lion with the Raiders, lucked out by taking over Dungy's team in TB in time for him to win a SB and since then has done the square route of sweet nothing. Maybe I just switch off but I haven't heard any insights or coaching perspectives from him since he's been in the booth. He's not even remotely funny or intelligent. He sucks up the limelight, loves being center stage (literally) and tends to mirror what the other two say. There must be so many other coaches that could bring value to that spot (Cowher, Billick, Gibbs even Vermeil, heck I'd even welcome Herm Edwards there as a replacement).

    Gruden is to Lombardi as chalk is to cheese.
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    Ah, but they HAVE improved.

    QB: Brady is one year removed from a major injury. Improved.
    RB: No change whatsoever. No change.
    WR: Moss is fully healthy, Edelman and Tate show a lot of promise, and Aiken is not our #3 anymore. Welker will be at full strength soon, if not already. Improved.
    TE: So far, Gronk, Crump, and Hernandez have all proven to be reliable and should be much better than Watson and Baker. Improved.
    OL: No argument here. Without Mankins, the OL is worse. Maybe Connolly can be decent, and maybe Vollmer will take a big step forward, but right now they got worse. Declined.
    DL: Ty is injured. I think Gerard will be equal or greater than Jarvis Green was. Declined.
    OLB: Thomas is gone, so that's addition by subtraction right there. Whoever plays opposite TBC shouldn't perform much worse than Thomas did. It's pretty hard to be that bad. No change.
    ILB: Mayo is healthy, Spikes seems to be ready to make an impact as a rookie, and Guyton and McKenzie are very good backups. Improved.
    CB: Bodden + Butler + McCourty should be MUCH better than Bodden + Springs + Butler in time, but perhaps not this season. No change.
    S: Chung seems to be taking a big step forward in his second year, and is an upgrade over Sanders/McGowan. Improved.
    ST: Gostkowski and Ingram are great, and Mesko looks to be better than Hanson by a lot. We had awful returners last year, and Tate, McCourty, and Edelman look like they could be serious weapons on kick returns. Improved.
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    Re: MNF Gang (Gruden,Jaworski) predict the AFC East

    In "good" I mean they talk about the actual game in front of them. Compare that to Kornholer or Dennis Miller or Cosell or the old Maquire/Theisman trainwreck. I do enjoy the fact they like football.

    It appears jmt is echoing my post. Don't expect "experts" to be "experts" on teams.
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    Unfortunately, once a player reaches the age of 25, the probablity of a serious injury increases significantly each year, so by default, a "no change" player actually declines.

    Position by position breakdown...

    Position Annual Incremental Probability of Serious Injury (Age 25+)
    QB 7.2%
    OL 9.9%
    WR 9.1%
    TE 8.4%
    RB 14.2%
    DL 12.8%
    LB 12.2%
    CB 11.3%
    S 10.4%
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