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Mitt Romney, March 2012, in broad daylight: “If you’re looking for free stuff,

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    The campaign in a nutshell free stuff vs free enterprise.
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    The problem though for Romney is the 47% he's referring to comprises a lot people who are Romney supporters, as well as a lot of good and decent people. But, perhaps you consider them all moochers?

    Who are the 47%?

    Who are the 47%? The Tax Policy Center's Donald Marron said they fall into three main groups:

    The working poor. The earned income tax credit and the child credit can help families making $50,000 or more pay no taxes or get money back. About 60% of those not paying income taxes do contribute to payroll taxes -- which means they must have some source of earned income.

    The elderly. An increased standard deduction for those over 65, and an exemption on part of Social Security earnings, means that many older Americans pay no income taxes -- even though most of them paid into the system through decades of paying taxes.

    The low-income. A family of four claiming only the standard deduction and personal exemptions pays no federal income tax on its first $27,000 of income.

    ...

    Gallup's daily tracking poll shows that a third of those with incomes less than $24,000 support Romney, and about half of retirement-age voters do.

    *******

    And look at this. Idaho is one of the moocher states. Must be all those birther and survivalist pinheads.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...gest-count-of-people-he-considers-freeloaders

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    #75 Jersey

    "If you're looking for free stuff, vote for the other guy" said the man with the Cayman Islands bank accounts.
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    Really... who gives a ****?
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    So do you reject customers with accounts outside of America?
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    None of my clients have offshore bank accounts.

    Is it a problem for someone running for President of the United States to have offshoring personal bank accounts only to avoid taxes?

    Yes.

    We have banks in the United States.

    It's not like buying a BMW - - the "technology" for a Caymans or Swiss bank is not any more advanced.

    It is all about avoiding taxes and stashing. It is why almost all third world dictators do it.
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    How do you know what your clients do? Why should you care?
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    I am fine with anyone legally reducing their taxes. I presume you take every deduction you can and put your clients in tax shelters, if that is best for them financially correct?

    Or do you as a rich guy who is invited to attends dem fundraisers voluntarily pay you r fair share and not take all the deductions you are entitled to , maybe set an example for w Buffett. :D
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    Ummm.... I dunno...... maybe it is because it is my job as their CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER???
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    1) All the tax shelters I have taken and have advised my clients to take have been under the full supervision and investigatibility of FINRA, the SEC, the Dept of Homeland Security and the IRS. This is why I am not ALLOWED by my broker dealer to have any dealings with foreign bank accounts. Money laundering is a huge issue in my industry and it is taken very seriously.

    The fact that I cannot do (for reasons of financial security laws) something that a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE can do is mindboggling insane.

    2) I don't get this deal with you and Dem fundraisers. I've never been to a fundraiser in my life. I can't recall ever being invited to one. Why are you so hot and heavy about this imaginary thought? Is it some sort of "If I write it enough, it becomes a reality"?
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    It gets confusing for some, when the the facts are clearly articulated..

    Nice post, and a healthy dose of reality..
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    Well the IRS has no problem with it. So if it is legal bully for him.

    I of course support the Flat Tax, which dem lawmakers and this president loathe.
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    Speaking of Mitt, wasn't he supposed to release his 2011 income tax returns in September...

    Seem to recollect that he filed for a 6 month extension, but of course, I was informed by the right that I did not understand any of this..

    Where are the most recent returns Mitt????
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    In that case I fully expect that you will be adding your support to the "47%" any minute now since the vast majority of them are doing just that....legally reducing their taxes.

    A family of four, with two children under 17, who own their own home, use their child care credits and take the allowed per-person deductions and make $46,000.00 a year will pay no income tax.

    A family of four making $26,000.00 per year or less, using standard deductions, will pay no income taxes.

    A single person making $20.000.00 per year or less will pay no income taxes using standard deductions.

    People over 65 on SS and a modest retirement fund who own their own home and take the standard deductions for a person over 65 will pay no income taxes.

    The 47 Percent, In One Graphic : Planet Money : NPR
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    BTW the amount of hijacking here is pretty funny. Romney tells heckler publicly what he said in the fundraiser. If your goal is free stuff vote for Obama.

    Very honest of him and spot on.
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    We have followed your lead..
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    Mod comment - Please stick to the topic...if you need to deflect then do it in a new thread.

    Thank You
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    WHAT??????

    Flag burning is legal also. What's your point?

    I wouldn't want my President to be a flag burner.

    Offshoring profits made in the USA in order to avoid taxation is not ok for a Presidential candidate.

    In fact, it is materially WORSE and a worse treason than flag burning.

    Some people care about the ACTUAL NATION, not only the symbols of the nation.

    So in sum: The guy complaining about people not paying their fair share is BENEFITTING and PROFITTING from the US Free Market System and then escaping taxation on it by running the DOMESTIC profits to OFFSHORE BANK accounts. Yet, he states it is the other, poorer folks who are scamming the
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