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Mind Boggling Stat: current 53 man roster has only 7 players from the 16-0 2007 team

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  1. AndyJohnson

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    The 2011 current 53 man roster has 7 players from the 16-0 2007 team
    Brady
    Light
    Mankins
    Koppen
    Gostkowski
    Welker
    Wilfork


    Many consider this team to be a SB favorite.

    On a night when Belichicks drafting and personel decisions are being questioned by many, if this team were to win the SB after turning over 46 of the 53 players from the team that had the undefeated regular season 4 years ago would that represent the greatest job of building a team in NFL history? And would it be worth the sacrifice of 3 years of no playoff wins in between?

    Defensively the only player remaining from that team is Vince Wilfork. Anyone questioning the performance of the defense the last 3 years while it was totally (but for one man) replaced needs to reconsider.
    Its also interesting that 17 of the players that made the team on defense and 15 on offense were not in the NFL that season.
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    wow, I mean ... wow Just 7 players from the 2007 squad. talk about the personnel turn over ratio :eek:
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    It is a tad misleading because Faulk is still on the team, just a part of the PUP list.. But the Pats have been rebuilding over the past few years.
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    I wonder how many the giants have left over. Would be interesting to see how this compares with other teams.
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    Re: Mind Boggling Stat

    Andy, you forgot Mike Wright. Even so, just 2 players left from that defense is pretty amazing.
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    What's the football staff turnover been like through the same period Andy? That would be an interesting observation to compliment the team.
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    He isnt on the 53 man roster. How is that misleading? Would 8 instead of 7 have any impact on the point?
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    Damn. I counted 8 the first time through then couldn't find the 8th so figured I miscounted. Again, doesnt really change the concept.
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    Re: Mind Boggling Stat

    I would bet we have the least.

    Any of you guys who correspond with Reiss want to send him the fact and ask him to compare it to the other 31 teams? I bet he could (and would be willling to) do the research.
    I also bet he would write an article about only having 8.
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    Re: Mind Boggling Stat

    It's a remarkable stat......... to be honest........ when you couple it with the other one (32 on this team weren't in the NFL oin 2007), it's even more impressive.

    And yes, a SB win this year would go a long way in soothing the pain of the last few early exits. Not all the way though.
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    I don't know. I think I would be OK with 1st round exits 2 of every 3 years and a SB win the 3rd perpetually
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    Re: Mind Boggling Stat

    For a team that made the Superbowl, it's incredible turnover. But leaguewide, teams in genuine rebuilding mode that bring in new management with a new philosophy can turn over rosters in a hurry.

    I chose KC as an example to look at, and sure enough I only counted 5 Chiefs left from 2007 -- including the punter:

    Jackie Battle
    Dwayne Bowe
    Derrick Johnson
    Jon McGraw
    Dustin Colquitt
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    Yeah. A team like Miami may have even less after Tuna showed up in 08 and cut anyone he could find in the building.
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    Re: Mind Boggling Stat

    So who was on that team that we'd want back, given who he is today, at, say, a $2 million salary/cap hit or above?

    (I edited out "if money were no object" because we might want lots of guys back for depth at vet minimum, including both safeties who were just cut.)

    Seymour, definitely.
    Ty Warren? Maybe not.
    Gaffney or Stallworth? I haven't kept up with them.
    Asante? Sure, drawbacks notwithstanding.
    Cassell? Sure, but as a backup.
    Lonie Paxton -- for the money he got, yes, but not for $2 million. (Um, is he actually still good?)

    So we've lost 2 important franchise tag guys and one of the best backup QBs in recent league history. But otherwise the turnover you mention has been almost all voluntary on the part of the team.
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    and you always hear these moronic spygate pumpers asking why "Deh PaTs HaVeNt WoN or Been TO supERBOWL siNcE spgATE! CHeatZ!"

    Its called roster turnover, BB has made every one of his teams competitors throughout his tenure.
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    It is just like you to get your panties in a wad over a slight correction. God forbid you take that Faulk was there too and will be by the end of the season and move on instead of making a big deal out of it.

    Fact is the number is actually 9 (as Patchick also pointed out Mike Wright). Does it make a lot of difference? No. That's why I said a "TAD".
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    Wow... very interesting stat. Everytime one of the few remaining guys from the '01 team goes (still 3 left!), I cringe a little, but I didn't realize that there were so few even from '07.
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    Re: Mind Boggling Stat

    Giants have 13.

    Bradshaw Ahmad RB
    DeOssie Zac LS
    Diehl David OL
    Hixon Domenick WR
    Jacobs Brandon RB
    Manning Eli QB
    McKenzie Kareem OL
    Ross Aaron CB
    Snee Chris OL
    Tuck Justin DT
    Tynes Lawrence K
    Umenyiora Osi DE
    Webster Corey CB

    I do not know how this is a mind-boggling stat unless one does the research for all 32 teams. My guess is that 8 would not be that remarkable. Teams turn over their rosters a great deal.
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    Re: Mind Boggling Stat

    What would make it mind boggling would be if turning over all but 8 players from a 16-0 led to a team that realizes its perception as a SB favorite.
    Its not just the turnover its the turnover from at or near the top of the league to a similar spot. "Remaining on/near the top" with almost total turnover is what I find mind boggling, of course they have to play that way/
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    Nothing in my response indicated I was upset at all, not to mention your lame attempt at describing it humorously in your typical method of trying to throw an insult at anyone who choose to post.
    Perhaps if you posted a fact instead of calling it misleading there wouldn't have been a response necessary, but then you don't even know you come off as an @ss in 90% of your posts anyway, so maybe I should just chalk it up to your personality.
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    I think thats the other side of the equation that frankly becomes too complicated for this setting.
    How NEEDED was the turnover. Its one thing to turn over a good team because they walk, its another to turn over a good team, stay good and end up in the same stratosphere when that team aged and would have fallen apart if you didnt turn it over.
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    Forgot Mathais K though he was Ir'd.
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    Re: Mind Boggling Stat

    Really not that mind boggling. Your just cherry picking a stat and running with it on your own little tangent. Like others have pointed out, most other teams don't seem to be that different.
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    Wow that is mind boggling! Thanks for sharing!
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    One has replaced 75% of it's roster, the other 85%. That's not insignificant.

    By the same token, I don't think Patchick's point should be dismissed either. There are a few teams that have replaced more players like the chiefs (I think she said there were only 5 left), as they have overhauled their team. A few teams are in that category.

    What separates them is how they performed as they overhaul their teams. Sure the Chiefs have replaced 94% of their roster since 2007, but they also went 16-32 (which is a pretty dismal .333 winning percentage).

    The Patriots OTOH, have gone 35-13 (.729 winning percentage) during that same span, while replacing 85% of the roster.......... I'd say that is pretty remarkable.
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    We know how the Pats do business on draft day. For the most part, it's trade down and get extra picks. That is how a roster is turned over quickly. Taking the 8 away from the '07 team, that leaves 45 spots. How many of these spots are now taken from players in the '08, '09, '10' and '11 draft? Without looking, I'll bet it's at least 50%.
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    No it doesn't, have contended for a while that this team is being rebuilt on the fly.. and our defense will look completely this year, while I have concerns, do not believe it will be worse in the long run. There may be some initial glitches, but with quality coaching things will in all probability work out.
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    Rebuilding and continually winning are often viewed as mutually exclusive..
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    I ran the Eagles numbers for a team that rebuilds in a manner similar to the Pats and has been competitive over the same period (30-17-1)
    They have ten players left who were with them in 2007, 9 on the 53 man roster and one on PUP (W. Justice)
    Abiamiri, Victor
    Avant, Jason
    Celek, Brent
    Cole, Trent
    Herremans, Todd
    Jackson, Jamaal
    Jordan, Akeem
    Justice, Winston (PUP)
    Parker, Juqua
    Patterson, Mike
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    Re: Mind Boggling Stat

    Maybe the real lesson here is that rebuilding is the only way to keep continually winning?

    Anybody up for tallying the Colts' and Steelers' turnover?
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