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  1. mtbykr

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    #37 Jersey

    Interesting:



    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

     
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    Not sure where you gets those stats and text, go to page 10 and the information is quite a bit different than what you present.. cannot cut and past PDF and do not feel like doing it manually.. but what you presented is fictitious.
     
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    Is this you got your political comments about our deceased americans.. this is a very misleading post as there is only a chart on P. 22, no text.. but what do you expect.

    http://kevinbryant.blogspot.com/2007/10/deaths-in-military-1980.html

    You may initially feel confused when you look at these figures --especially when you see that in 1980, during the term of President Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392 US military fatalities. What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal politicians pick and choose and tend to present only those facts that support their agenda driven reporting. Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities. Wrong again - Iraqi Freedom Fatalities over March 2003-June 2007 appear similar to our population breakdown. Regardless of how we crunch these numbers, we must remember that these figures represent the life of a son or daughter that gave up our their life for our freedom. (from page 22):
     
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    Understand Rush was talking about this today also..

    Check out this chart from the DOD Manpower Center, for some reason there were a ton of accidental deaths in the 80's.. nothing to qualify it, but interesting nonetheless.

    http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates.pdf

    There were no hostile deaths until 1983, when there were 18..

    this whole thing is like comparing raisins and grapefruit, yea Carter did it..
     
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    I hope to heck nobody is skewing this statistic to make it seem like the Bush Presidency has been somehow a victory for anything militarily. And somhow we didn't lose a single soldier in Bosnia, yet the stat blatently is shedding light on the military losses during the Clinton years.


    Its crazy to me that anyone sees this as a justification for a decent policy towards our troops, and a moral victory to justify this invasion and occupation of a country that never attacked us. NOt even sure these statitstics are REAL, these are the same people that don't count mass murder (car bombings etc. ) as a death. These are the same people telling me the SURGE is working, and somehow violence is down when over a million people have fled their homes for Syria, and this has been the deadliest year since 2004....We still have yet to see the Iraqi poeple build a government and stand up fo rwhat they want.


    STATS...we can spin them however we want. but here are the FACTS


    The United Sates under President George Bush have invaded an independent nation.with no plan for victory and no exit strategy. The Country is now in chaos, the region is now unstable, and million have lost their lives, homes, and culture. The second largest presence in the region is a mercinary army who answers to nobody, and is immune to prosecution. We have wasted billion sof dollars on private contractors who answer to nobody.



    so thansk for the Statistics posted above, I'll be sure to sleep a lot bettr knowing that fukcin Rush Limbaugh is using this F-ed up statistic as a talking point......BRa-VO!
     
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    yup.. page 10 of his link, indeed... it's a little jumbled, but note the figures to the right of each calendar year... ooops...

    in fact, total military deaths went sharply down when Clinton took office, and continued to go down in 7 of 8 Clinton years, and shot right back up to Bush 41 levels when Boy King took office...

    what a one-star dissappointment, if there ever was one... your integrity here has taken a cliffdive plunge, mtbykr...

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    Table 5. U.S. Active Duty Military Deaths, 1980 Through 2006,
    Part II,

    Cause of Death
    Calendar Year -- Total Deaths -- Accident -- Hostile Action -- Homicide -- Illness -- Pending -- Self Inflicted -- Terrorist Attack -- Undetermined
    1980 2,392 1,556 174 419 231 1 11
    1981 2,380 1,524 145 457 241 13
    1982 2,319 1,495 108 446 254 16
    1983 2,465 1,413 18 115 419 218 263 19
    1984 1,999 1,293 1 84 374 225 6 16
    1985 2,252 1,476 111 363 275 5 22
    1986 1,984 1,199 2 103 384 269 27
    1987 1,983 1,172 37 104 383 260 2 25
    1988 1,819 1,080 90 321 285 17 26
    1989 1,636 1,000 23 58 294 224 37
    1990 1,507 880 74 277 232 1 43
    1991 1,787 931 147 112 308 256 33
    1992 1,293 676 109 252 238 1 17
    1993 1,213 632 86 221 236 29 9
    1994 1,075 544 83 206 232 10
    1995 1,040 538 67 174 250 7 4
    1996 974 527 1 52 173 188 19 14
    1997 817 433 42 170 159 13
    1998 827 445 26 168 10 161 3 14
    1999 796 436 37 150 13 145 15
    2000 758 398 34 138 151 17 20
    2001 891 437 3 49 185 1 140 55 21
    2002 999 547 18 51 190 6 160 27
    2003 1,228 440 344 36 207 16 167 18
    2004 1,874 604 739 46 270 19 188 8
    2005 1,942 632 739 49 281 72 150 19
    2006 1,858 465 753 30 205 238 155 12

    Source: Defense Manpower Data Center, Statistical Information Analysis Division, [http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates.pdf], accessed on June 27, 2007.
    Note: As of February 28, 2007 (reflects preliminary counts for 2006 and revised figures for 2004 and 2005).
     
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    The correct numbers from the table in the report show that deaths were in steady decline through the Clinton years and rose after 9/11, I'm not sure what happened to the table you posted, but there were less than 1000/year during most of the 90s. Still, it does show that the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, horrible as they are, still are about the same as the number of accidental deaths in the 80s. I would have thought the numbers would be way up since 2003 compared to any other year after Vietnam. Every life lost is still tragic though. (Yes NEM, we understand this should mean immediate withdrawal and trials for Bush and Cheney, no need to post it. Hah! Beat you to the punch!)

    (edit) And it looks like PC beat ME to the punch in correcting the #s. Curse you PC!
     
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    Is this supporting the troops or supporting a war using the statistics of fallen soldiers ?
     
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    Appears that way, another macabre post that makes me want to be gung ho for our efforts in the ME.. somehow can never desanctify those who died in combat for a political agenda.. but it happens all the time.
     
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    First let me apologize for posting it before reading the link. Someone I trust sent it to me, but I didn't have time to read through the link before I posted it. This is why in the original post all I commented on was 'interesting'. I did not intend to argue one way or the other...I was just surprised by the numbers that were listed there so i thought I would post it figuring someone would dig through the link before I could get around to it.

    Sorry for the confusion.
     
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    Very nice comments.. good to hear this for a change.
     
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    good enough for me... way to handle it like an accountable adult...

    if there was more of this, there wouldn't be so much animosity in here...
     

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