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    and there is not even any discussion about legacy costs...

    One of the stories am following is new camoflage, being used by the Navy for land operations.. mucho R & D on this issue, it points to the excess of the military.. the needs of the Marines, Navy and Army on the ground are basically the same.. so instead of developing one system, there are at least three being researched and attempted...if you combined the efforts it would be more efficient and less costly. But K Street, XE, Wackenhut and a few of the others would not like that, and probably would not fly..

    The Military-Industrial Complex is Ruining the Economy

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    American troops should be brought home from all Islamic Rat Holes, the country's Security on all borders, sea ports and airports should be tightend and smothered with Military Troops, Profiling and Strip Searching should go into effect immediately, should anybody be caught with explosives or any other type of device that would do harm to our people should be executed ON THE SPOT.

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    I agree that our milatary spending is an absolute embarassment to this nation and one area we could save trillions. Having said that, it would be a damn shame if we actually cut our war efforts & saved trillions only to see it all spent somewhere else on social programs.

    All I want to see is our gov't cut TOTAL spending....

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    So it is ok to continue spending this way, if we continue other programs:confused::confused::confused:
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    #24 Jersey

    That's the usual Liberal argument. We can spend whatever we want on Program X because look at what's being spent in Iraq.

    Why do you pick the military ? Spending on lots of other stuff is killing us too like the Trillion dollar "stimulus" or the soon to be multi Trillion "healthcare". How about Social Security, that's costing a ton and many recipients are independently wealthy already. I'm all for cuts but picking one, and only one, villain is just silly.
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    The stimulus does not have legacy costs and ridiculous R & D.....
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    It's scary how much I agree with you. :eek:
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    Of course it has legacy costs. Every heard of interest ?

    And R&D is the BEST part of military spending, as we get non military advances in technology.
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    But do we need three branches funding effective camo?? do we need three branches examing which drone works best?? or should the R & D efforts be consolidated into one, the problem with the way the military spends money is that it has been done so irresponsibly for years now and much of it is institutionalized...

    Interest on the stimulus pales in comparison to the legacy costs of the military, military legacy costs are something like 18% of every dollar spent..
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    #24 Jersey

    There's a lot more joint work these days. I'm not saying it's as much as it could be but your little anecdotes aren't the typical reality.

    Interest is interest. Your 18% number is crap but obviously interest on military spending will be more than interest on smaller spending. But if you're going to complain about legacy costs for one, interest on borrowing a trillion dollars won't be some inconsequential number you can ignore like you tried to.
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    Ummmmmm, Is this against the new rules you are all "cracking down on". Or as long as you use symbols and only generally call half the people in here, $#!theadz. :rolleyes:
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    Is is ok for a general to retire one day, and come back the next getting a $1600.00 per diem to run war games??? The military is fraught with fraud and overruns... it is what it is, and unfortunately it is expected.

    Legacy costs are very high considering the VA, retirement.. medical, along with post privileges... being able to stay at reduced rate housing etc... the perks of the military are deserved, the problem is that there are so many disabled and so many aging.. call it unintended consequences...
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    As I said in another thread, retirement should be retirement, any federal, state or military retirement should be contingent on no income. If you are working you don't get your retirement ASAIC. This isn't a "Military Industrial Complex" issue though.
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    Sure it is, where else can you retire after 20 years, with a full pension, full family medical and full PX benefits... it is an exclusive military issue, from the military budget..

    Unless McCain is lying..

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/24/congress.pentagon/index.html

    More overruns.. 16 Billion for one system...

    http://www.flightglobal.com/article...oncerns-us-senators-on-cost-and-schedule.html

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    #24 Jersey

    It may be worse in the military but "double dipping" is not exclusive to the military.
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    But these benefits are, and not sure right now where you can retire after 20 years with these benefits... oh the legacy costs (forgot can only use that for UAW workers)........
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    #24 Jersey

    It's worse in the military (meaning the 20 year thing) but that kind of thing happens outside of the military also.

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