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  1. DarrylS

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    Guess the Brits abandoned a base and turned it over to the Iraq defense forces, poof the next day it is completely looted.. guess we are doing a great job of winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. Cannot fathom why we continue to stay there..

    http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/15363243.htm

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Hours after the British turned over a military base to Iraqi control, looters picked it clean, driving up in trucks and making off with roofing, windows, and plumbing after clashing with outnumbered Iraqi soldiers.
    About 1,200 British forces withdrew on Thursday from Abu Naji, a camp near Amarah in southern Maysan province. The base had been targeted repeatedly with mortar fire, and shortly after the British left, members of the Shiite-controlled Mahdi Army passed out pamphlets claiming credit for the British retreat. The camp had been targeted for mortar and rocket fire almost daily.
    Looters arrived at the camp within hours after the final British soldiers left at noon on Thursday. Iraqi soldiers put up resistance and later fired on the crowds who had gathered. There were reports of some injuries for both Iraqi forces and civilians but no fatalities.
    The looting was an indication of the tenuous hold Iraqi authorities have on the countryside, though a police spokesman for the region denied any looting occurred. An Iraq Army source said that as many as 2,000 people surrounded the camp at one point.
    Spokesmen for the Iraqi Defense Ministry and the British military said the departure was part of what was a planned relinquishing of control to local Iraqi forces.
     
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    F-cking animals, Bush is keeping them out of America, I pity their women their kids and their donkeys.
     
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    sh!t, really? Hmmm....Sounds just like New Orleans to me. We should pull out of NO immidiately.



    New Orleans Police Station Attacked As Looters Rampage

    The areas hit hardest by Hurricane Katrina are unfortunately also those hardest hit by looters while the police trying to stop them in New Orleans came under attack when two men with AK-47s opened fire on their police station.
    Fox News reporter Jeff Goldblatt said two men with automatic weapons opened fire on a downtown New Orleans police station late Tuesday in an apparent retaliation against an officer who tried to stop looters earlier in the day from carting off clothes and jewelry from stores in the area.

    As conditions deteriorated on the Gulf Coast, with no electricity, no water, and rising flood waters, looters were running wild in the streets, first looting grocery stores and later pharmacies, clothing and jewelry stores.

    "It's downtown Baghdad," a tourist in downtown New Orleans said. "It's insane. I've wanted to come here for 10 years. I thought this was a sophisticated city. I guess not."
     
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    If we spent 1/2 as much on rebuilding NOLA as we did in Bagdad this would be a non-issue, one of the big issues in NOLA is fed Gov't red tape, and one of the issues in Bagdad is no bid, no oversite contracts.
     
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    I'm simply pointing out that a base being looted during a poorly planned transfer is not something worth posting. Arguing money spent in Iraq versus money spent in NO is a totally different animal. I happen to believe the fed should pay for little. Possibley only infrastructure. Roads, bridges, etc. Personal loss shouldn't be paid for with my dime. That's what insurance is for.
     
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    Your dime has been paying for payouts all of your life, the Steel industry, the airlines industry, DEPCO in RI on and on...our dime continues to pay for the faux pas of our major industries, worst of all is the mounting debt that our heirs will be paying on for the next couple of decades. You can say all you want to pay for is infrastructure, and I probably agree, the american way is to foot the whole bill...in NOLA we are paying twice once in the collection basket of our church and when the churches are then reimbursed for their expenses by FEMA.

    Regarding the base being looted, all contingencies should have been prepared for to insure a smooth transition...my point is that instead of winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people...we continue to alienate and polarize very much like we do in this country and political structure.
     
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    I'm all for smaller government and individual accountability. Fiscal insanity is reaching a point of government bancruptcy. I will open a bottle of champagne the day the government closes due to a lack of funds.

    As for hearts and minds. I just don't understand what the referenced story has to do with that. I'm not sure why the story was posted to begin with. Ah, wait, it was a bout a mutiny that didn't happen. Now I remember.
     
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    No, the biggest problem in NOLA is NOLA. The government has already sent $42 billion, yet the state and local governments are too busy with their focus groups and comittees to put the money to use.

    The gulf coast of Mississippi was hit far harder, levees or not, yet they're moving along nicely with their rebuild efforts.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    What do you think of your dimes being spent on Iraq rebuilding?
     
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    What is your source for this, everything I have read does not typify this response?? The whole thing is bogged down, blame the local authorities, blame the state authorities...but someone needs to take charge and insure things are done and done well. There is a boat load of money available, however it takes quite a bit to get it. OTOH, in Iraq we continue to give out reams of $$$ on no bid contracts to industrial giants who supposedly have the means to get things done. Reading this AM, Blackwater, has been given contracts, some $$ spent fraudulantly, and still give more money..Haliburton pretty much the same.

    The fed gov't needs to provide leadership to get jobs of this magnitude done, to insure it is done right and within specific parameters. Why don't they just appoint a rebuilding Czar, the feds love this term, someone probably of military background who will insure that things can get done, identify issues and act as a conduit for the whitehouse. I find the whole response situational and nothing but a big photo op for our incumbent president.
     
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    Remember bud, anytime the government is involved, you and I get F#$@ed. Katrina is the biggest waste of taxpayer dollars in quite some time. At least in Iraq, we're getting some kind of return on the massive amounts of cash being wasted. With that return being the removable of Saddam, bringing TWAT to an ME battleground, and zapping loosers like Zawqari. Even still, that return doesn't justify the costs. But with Katrina, all we got were more rams in the rear with less vasoline. Katrina was Welfare on a catostrophic scale.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTYyNTc3MzU5MWI0MTFmZjIzNzYyZmY2MjQ2MmU3ZmI=

    Waste in the Eye of the Storm. Paying the price of bad government.

    By Congressman Bobby Jindal

    While Hurricanes Katrina and Rita proved to be the worst and costliest natural disasters in our nation’s history, the waste and fraud uncovered after last year’s storms has been a disaster all in itself.

    The list of government waste in the response and recovery after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, at all levels, reads like a rap sheet — $200 champagne, months at a Hawaiian resort, five season tickets to the New Orleans Saints, hundred of trailers sitting unoccupied. And the list goes on — all at taxpayer expense.

    A recent audit by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that an estimated $2 billion dedicated to assisting those who most needed it never reached them, and instead was lost to fraud and waste. That amount is nearly 11 percent of the total $19 billion spent by Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) as of mid-June.

    That type of waste is the result of government paying $175 per square for tarps to cover broken roofs, while the contractor repairing the roof is paid $5 a square for the work — $170 dollars per square lost in the layers of subcontracting for “management†fees. Even more telling, other local companies have told the government that they could replace the damaged roofs permanently for the same price we are spending on band-aid fixes.

    The audit also found that the Army Corps of Engineers passed up chances to negotiate a lower price for portable classrooms, resulting in the federal government overpaying by 20 percent on a $39.5 million, no-bid contract.

    Thousands of displaced residents were put up in hotels across the country, at taxpayer expense, when for the same price many of those same people could have repaired their houses and moved home. The government even spent $17 million on a permanent morgue for disaster victims that closed three months after it opened.

    The list goes on and on: Trailers sit unused, cruise ships are rented for months and sit only partially used, reimbursements are given to phantom victims, and prison inmates collect more than $10 million for rental and disaster-relief assistance. Last month more than 381 FEMA trailers continued to sit unused in the Acadiana region of our state, representing more than $4 million that was wasted. That does not even include the additional 200 FEMA trailers sitting unused miles away on a site that the government spent $7 million improving.

    And this is to say nothing of the $2,000 debit cards handed out to some who claimed to be victims, but instead used the assistance to buy Louis Vuitton handbags, spend evenings at strip clubs, or purchase Dom Perignon champagne.

    This waste and abuse was occurring at the same time that families and businesses had to wait for legitimately approved funding to be provided by the federal or state government.

    The ultimate cost is paid by us — the taxpayers. Every tax dollar being wasted and not spent on recovery is a dollar not reaching the people that need it. To date, nearly $100 billion has been approved in assistance, but we have yet to see that much in actual work on the ground due to the fraud and waste.
     
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    You justify the spending in Iraq, by providing anecdotal information from a right wing publication..NOLA is nothing to be proud of, but the waste and fraud in Iraq pales in comparison to what has happened there. There is no return in Iraq, despite what you believe.
     
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    Seriously, are they doing anything lberals don't do in cities holding WTO meetings?
     
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    Don't you think that some of that red tape exists because of La's history of fraud? Just asking. At any rate, rebuilding New Orleans is certainly a bigger job than rebuilding the parts of MS that were hit, and let's hope those focus groups are actually trying to rebuild the city so that it is safer, cleaner, and more functional.

    Also, on a related note, a friend of mine who has spent time in both NOLA and Cancun said they were both devastated by hurricanes, but Cancun's recovery effort was far quicker and more successful (based on her personal observations).
     
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    Miss. is being rebuilt at a far faster rate, and with dollars invested by private companies, like hotels and casino owners. NO is being rebuilt at 10 cents on the dollar, by the fed, is moving like mollases, has very little private investment because it's mayor says corporations are evil, and downtown has to remain chocolate. Gimme a break.

    If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, ......
     

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