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    Is it just me, or does it seem like he is becoming more invisible each week? It seems like in the middle of the game, I will finally see him in a play, and its like "oh, Vrabels playing today, I have not noticed him yet". It seem like he has only one move, and that is to try to get around the outside of the tackle to get to the QB. No inside move, no spin, nothing. I think offenses have figured out how to play him, just let him run and keep forcing him more and more outside to the point where he is 5 yards behind the play or QB.

    Now dont get me wrong, Vrabel has been great for this team and has been a huge part of their success. But with a 4.3 million cap hit next year, his final season, might he be worth letting go of? And saving about 3 milllion.
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    I agree, Vrabes as I have said before is on the Back 9. It's time to give Pierre Woods some of his game reps and think about saving that CAP hit next year. I agree.
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    I think he's enough of a flex player that he'll play out his contract.

    He's routinely playing blocking TE 3+ times/game as well.
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    He is playing a differnet side of the ball this year than he has. AD is playing on the LOLB and Vrabes is playing the ROLB. HE has always played on the LOLB position.

    This has to have something to do with his lack of sack and pressure this year. Perhaps someone can explain the differences playing on the side he's playing this year.
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    I thinks Vrables and Adalius have been swapped for two weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if it is either a general sheme/approach change, or it may have even been for specific match ups.
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    The same thing was said about Seymour, unless we know the game plan we do not know the assignment.. this team has a different plan each week and plays to the strength of the player, the needs of the team, and the weakness of the opposing teams O..

    Yesterday was a classic example, Jackson was out.. so Seymour was not called upon to clog up the middle, he was allowed to rush the passer.. If Jackson was playing his role would have been different.. the same for A Thomas..

    Time after time we hear these discussions on this board, and then when BB is questioned he comes back with something like it was his best game.. we do not know the assignments and this is Patriots NFL team football.
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    Tedy has reportedly been washed up for years and yet oddly yesterday we kept hearing his name over and over over...:rolleyes:

    Honestly we're a fan base that to some extent has lost all capacity to enjoy as Junior so aptly calls it the journey that is each NFL season...
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    I've noticed Woods out there a few times already. Not sure what the numbers break down to, it could just be that I'm surprised to see him so he stands out, but I think his role has been expanded more than previous years.
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    What about Gary Guyton or does he only play on special teams?
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    He does play on ST, but he's been playing a fair amount at ILB as well. Vrabs plays outside primarily.
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    Vrabel is great at the POA and great against the run. I do think his pass rushing seems to have somewhat declined from the middle of last season up until now. I agree, his pass rushing is one dimensional, but it generally works and does the job - forcing the QB to step up.

    But we've seen AD been asked to pass rush a lot more (whereas to start the season, Vrabel was always rushing and AD dropped into coverage much more often), we've seen Vrabel come off the field for Pierre Woods at times (pass rushing situations for a series or two a game), and we've seen pass defense packages without Vrabel in it. Reading between the lines, I think we can assume that the coaching staff probably doesn't want to see Vrabel get gassed like he did last season, and/or that they have decided AD is a more consistent pass rushing threat than Vrabel.

    But to suggest cutting Vrabel is crazytalk. Again, he's great against the run, and our defense is predicated on the ability to stop the run and force passing situations. Vrabel's a big part of that.
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    Vrabel is old and feeble. What's he signed through? Next year?

    His salary is probably so low, it won't make sense to cut him.

    Definitely need some new blood. Maybe BB's seeing Mayo and Guyton playing well has gotten him over his reluctance to draft a LB. That and the ABYSMAL record of drafting RBs and WRs. Those positions should be off the board; Belichick and Pioli are INCAPABLE of drafting there...they draft losers.

    Draft where you have proven you have SOME ability, ie LB/OL/CB. I'll give them a pass on drafting Sanders b/c he was like a 5th round pick. So although he sucks, it doesn't indicate that they can't draft safeties.
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    LOL I said this same thing at the game yesterday! My friend's outlook this year had been that TedyB was getting slow and blahblah but oddly enough last week and especially this week, he's come up BIG. Mayo's also a factor in helping Tedy be able to play his game. Bru's FAR from done:mad:
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    You haven't taken your analysis far enough my friend:
    - Where "has" Adalius been playing on passing downs during the first quarter of the season?
    - Who "else" has been playing where Adalius was and what was/is their experience level?
    - Has there been any progress made that would allow Adalius to rush more often...which means a two-headed edge rush like when Colvin was playing across from Vrabes.
    - And finally, does anyone think a pass rusher who was voted to the Pro-bowl after a double digit sack season just might draw more attention?


    For scaryjane and her ilk, I'll provide some answers, please find an adult to read and explain them to you:
    - Adalius has been playing "ILB" on passing downs in nickel and dime packages alongside "Mayo." Any lights going on? You know, like "rookie?" "Soft target" for experienced NFL QBs? Veteran "help" while the kid is learning? Not to mention "Guyton" has been taking more passing down reps and needed Adalius's "help" too.
    - Mayo and Guyton are having the training wheels taken off and they are doing some X-games stunts already. This frees Adalius so Pees can send him to crunch the QB.
    - Adalius is getting sacks because the blockers now have to protect a wider front with Vrabes and Sey/Vince/Ty/Jarvis/Wright/Le Kevin coming like wild men, not to mention Pees likes to blitz Guyton up the middle for a change of pace (remember the Denver 'int' gang?).
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    Post of the day, without a doubt.
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    Vrabel has been getting pressure on the QB this year. He just isn't getting to the QB. He is definitely not pass rushing like he did last year or previous years, but it isn't as bad as some make it.

    Vrabel's best pass rushing game last year was against the Steelers, but he didn't show anything in the stats column. But he almost single-handily kept Roethlisberger off his game. He isn't performing to that level this year, but I do see him in the back field at times which has forced the opposing QB to dump the ball or make quicker decisions than he would have liked. It doesn't show on the stat sheet, but it does make a difference.

    I am not kidding myself to think Vrabel has been playing like the Vrabel of old, but he is better than I think some people are realizing or at least giving credit for. AD is definitely the better OLB, but Vrabel is no liability and has made an impact.
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    Thomas is all over the place this year, but Vrabel is not playing poorly at all. The linebacking corps looks very good. Only Bruschi looks out of place and very, very slow (I don't care how many times you heard his name, he's on his way out), but Guyton looks like a strong player and he's getting an awful lot of reps for an undrafted rookie, which shows me the coaching staff thinks very highly of him.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Woods starts getting some reps on Vrabel's side simply because Vrabel has alot of wear and tear and needs to be rested for the final push.
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    Good points...Guyton &/or Mayo being on the field the past few weeks frees up AD in the nickel and dime packages. But what about Woods coming in for Vrabel & never spelling AD? Doesn't this suggest the team is cognizant of Vrabel getting overworked?

    The other factor, likely a result of Guyton and Mayo earning PT and playing well in coverage - the nickel package early in the year exchanged Warren for Green and Bruschi for Meriweather...I think I'm seeing more 2 DLs (Wright and Sey) on the field in the nickel now, with AD and Vrabel consistently rushing.
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    The nickel package in the last game had 2 down linemen (Wright and Seymour; Wright seemed to be on a jailbreak every time he was in there, even if he did not record a sack himself) and a plethora of linebackers - Thomas would occasionally put his hand down, but Guyton, Mayo, and Vrabel seemed to be the other 3 on nickel situations. Thomas provides versatility in that you don't know where he's going to line up - he's a more athletic version of McGinest.
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    First of all, you're not supposed to insult other members and now you're threatening 'internet violence' against them (me)? WTF? You should be punished! Hard! I'm going to sic one of the moderators on you, I know they'd be on me if I had done that.

    So what did I say that was so bad? Vrabel is old and feeble and slow. No pass rush whatsoever. It's like my grandmother otu there. And the Pats' picks of WRs in the draft (Jackson, Johnson) have been ABYSMAL. Do you dare try to refute that? Do you? And their 1st round RB (Moron-ey) is ABYSMAL. I call him 'dancing glass' Maroney. How about them apples?
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    Stupid post. What exactly does he disagree with in my post, or do you?

    Just namecalling/trolling is all you're good for apparently.

    Vrabel is old and feeble, he is near useless. Do you dare even TRY to REFUTE that? I think not.
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    Woods has been getting reps.. Watch the games.
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    Guyton got reps yesterday as well.
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    The Pats have Woods and drafted Crable. Just because Crable hasn't been active doesn't mean he doesn't have ability. He was a DE in college and is learning the Pats OLB scheme. Give him time.

    Sanders hardly sucks. Is he as good at reading plays as Harrison? Nope. But he's not abyssmal either.

    I think you need to check your facts about what BB and Pioli have drafted for RBs and WRs. You sound ignorant otherwise. RB - Antwoin Womack (7th round pick), Cedric Cobbs (4th round pick), Laurence Maroney (1st round pick) WR - Deion Branch (2nd round pick), David Givens (7th round pick), Bethel Johnson (2nd round pick), P.K. Sam (5th round pick), Chad Jackson (2nd round pick).

    Womack was coming off an injury and, as a 7th rounder and was destined for the IR. The Pats hoped he would be able to come back and be decent, but it was an easy gamble to make.'

    Sam was the youngest kid drafted that year. He was very immature and shouldn't have entered the draft when he did. He could have used another year of seasoning in college, but there were rumors floating around that said that staying in college wasn't an option. He was another long shot pick.

    Bethel Johnson was just a bad pick. The Pats reached for him and shouldn't have. They could have had Anquan Boldin, but for whatever reason, the Patriots didn't. Johnson had numerous injuries after he got here.

    Jackson had the leg (hamstring?) injury that he rushed back from and got injured again in the process. When he came back, he went about earning his stripes on special teams coverage. It was then that he tore his ACL in the AFCCG against the Colts. People forget that its a 9-12 month recovery and 18 months before a person is fully healthy. That pretty much ruled out any return during his sophmore season that would have been productive. So, in his 2nd training camp, this year, he got beat out for the 3rd WR spot by Gaffney (who was going into his 3rd year in the system), the 4th spot by Washington (who turned into a special teams ace), and Aiken (who was brought in because he was a special teams ace). Jackson was behind the 8ball and the Pats were pretty much out of options. They couldn't afford to carry 6 WRs like they did last year and Jackson, though he was starting to show signs of improvement, wasn't able to show enough to beat out Gaffney.

    Cobbs was drafted when the Pats already had 4 RBs on the team in Pass, Faulk, Rabih Abdullah and Dillon. Cobbs was the 32nd pick of the 4th round and was placed on the PUP/Reserve list in TC. Was activated and saw time in some games. Couldn't make the squad in 2005 when the Pats decided to go with just Faulk, Pass and Dillon out of TC. Of course, that bit them in the butt and resulted in them playing Mike Cloud, Amos Zereoue, and acquiring Heath Evans.

    The Pats have hit on 3 of 7 picks. That's not bad at all. Next you are going to say they should draft TEs because they've only hit on 3 of 9. (Graham, Watson, Thomas, Stalcheski, Love, Holloway, Nead, Stokes, Mills)
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    Oh, I agree with you. LB is one area where they have skill in drafting. That is when drafting within the first 5 rounds and not trying to get by on rejects like that guy from SMU.

    It's only WR and RB where they should be forbidden from drafting at all. They have proven to be inept.
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    To maryjane,

    You are not a fan of this team. We all know that.
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    People have already refuted the hell out of it. The defensive assignments are different week to week. Belichick has noted this 50,000 times throughout his career.
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    Agreed. I said a couple weeks ago AD is my defensive MVP on this team so far for his versatility. He allows them to do so much, and also lessens the impact of injuries b/c he can fill multiple roles.
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    What do all those words have to do with the fact that whenever Vrabel rushes the QB, he doesn't ever get close to him, even when only blocked one-on-one? His days of being a pass-rusher worthy of respect, much less fear, are over. If Woods can show that he can properly hold the edge on runs, then he should start instead; Crable should be a game-day active (esp. with Jarvis still out), and Vrabel can rotate at ILB with Bruschi.
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    i was thinking it was because of strong side weak side, but then i was thinking it might bebecause he's taller and seymour is taller so you ahve one side longer and taking the qb's vision away maybe. but then i also thought maybe it was to get seymour paired with vrabel and vice versa

    good question for reiss
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