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  1. BradyManny

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    Sorry, I needed some hyperbole on par with Michael's to grab the viewer's attention. Some of this is just dumb:

    Patriots Are Bitten by Reliance on Tight Ends

    No, Mike, actually we already transitioned. Remember us playing a certain game this past February for a certain trophy. Yeah, that was our 2 tight end offense that got us there.

    I love Hernandez, and agree that he is our most dangerous offensive weapon. But to declare him our single best player on a team with Gronkowski, Welker, Brady & Wilfork...yeah, I don't know about that. Not to mention, he's only going to be out about a month at this point. This isn't Brady losing his ACL in 2008.

    Was this quote taken last January? I agree we don't have any depth at outside receiver, but Lloyd is on pace for 104 catches and over 1000 yards. What's wrong with that?

    The offense was productive in its first game and not in its second. In either case, Brady's case was fine in both games, it was more an issue of protection and receiving.

    Lombardi fails to mention the one thing that actually is a problem at the moment: the offensive line.

    Either way, I really hope the offense goes out and puts up 30 against Baltimore Sunday night just to shut this stuff up. If Brady and his guys can connect on a couple of these deep balls, the production will look a lot different. I expect to see more Welker this Sunday, less experimentation, and more production.
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    Oh dear...that's pretty poor even for his usual average standards.
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    Nice!

    I set my watch by the bleatings of this idiot. My watch was starting to keep bad time since it's been awhile - thanks Mike

    I understand that Lombardi is Borges bastard love child BTW.
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    Lombardi has zero credibility. If they beat the ravens he will be back on his knees for more belichick ballwashing. Nevertheless, if by "best" he meant that hernandez is the patriots most explosive, difficult to defend player, then i agree with him.
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    Brady's not playing up to his usual standards, but it's not on Brady. There are several reasons for it. Edelman over Welker is one. Cutting guys like Branch and Gaffney before the start of the season is another. The atrocious pass protection is yet another. Losing Hernandez... another. If even half of these things were to turn around, this offense is a juggernaut again (getting Hernandez back and stabilizing the O-Line for starters).
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    Brady can play well with crap receivers. The OL's sporadic performance is the single biggest issue at present.
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    Half the posters here are worse than Lombardi. At least he isn't calling for McDaniels head after 1 loss.
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    and half of that was the RG against the Cards.
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    LOL, you beat me to it. I was going to post
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    Shame on you for the attention seeking headline. Overall the article seemed to be fairly spot on.

    Brady isn't playing well because he isn't being put in position or given the opportunity to. And this team is again in transition, just on the other side of the ball, one now complicated by the loss of Hernandez (who if you look at the photo is clutching his leg in the classic high ankle sprain form although it's being leaked as a low ankle sprain so teams can't stop planning for him beyond the next couple of weeks). Whose composit skill set is fairly irreplaceable. Not to mention in flux on the OL transitioning from a veteran pro bowler heavy unit to one in which only one rehabbing veteran pro bowler remains.
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    Welcome to small sample size theatre.
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    The Achilles heel of the Pats is pass protection. Brady has shown a few times that he can make a less than stellar WR corps work, and overcome injuries like the one to AH.

    But this is the 1st time I can remember where the O-line is average at best in protection. They need to improve as a unit for the Pats offense to get back to what fans have come to expect.
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    There is nothing wrong with building an offense around two exemplary TEs. The fallacy is that you can just plug another TE into the spot and get the same production when one of them is hurt. After spending a decade trying to acquire two TEs like Gronk and Hernandez, you'd think Bill Belichick would know this.
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    I agree, and I'm about ready to conclude that Logan Mankins is the second most overrated Patriot ever, right behind Richard Seymour. Still not over how Justin Tuck bounced off Mankins like a pinball machine and forced Brady into the intentional grounding penalty -->> safety in the opening moments of the Super Bowl.
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    Thats pretty surprising due to the fact that he is the biggest BB\Pats ars kisser there is on NFLN.
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    Funny thing about the NFL and media coverage: Gost makes that last kick, this column doesn't get written.
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    Last week it was praise of the Pats for bringing balance to the offense with a strong running game and adding an outside receiver in Lloyd. McDaniels was praised for his creativity.

    This week, the Pats' offense is a mess with a turnstile o-line, overly reliant on the TEs, Brady struggling, and being petty for punishing Welker.

    Next week if the Pats win and the offense produces, it will be another story.

    Belichick has always said you really don't know what type of team you truly have until around mid-season. All this talk now is just which ever the wind is blowing reactionary banter.
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    He HAS, yes. This past weekend, he didn't look comfortable at points when neither Welker nor Hernandez were in there. It's to be expected. Those are his top two safety valves. How much of his "uncomfortable" play has to do with that and how much of it has to do with horrid blocking is up for debate.
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    Yes. That one kick and there are a lot of storylines that change today:

    • People wouldn't be questioning the play calling at the end of the game. In fact, they might be praising Belichick and McDaniels for doing the smart thing by not take any stupid risks in contrast to the Cards in doing a pitch out on the fumble play.
    • I think the focus would be on how great the defense played in contrast to how bad the offense played.
    • I think people would be giving the Cards defense far more deserved credit for how they played rather than blame the Pats especially the coaching for the offensive problems.
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    Here is Reiss' latest take on the transition this team is in the midst of. One that just hit the mother of all speed bumps.

    Wes Welker's reduced role part of evolving offense - ESPN Boston
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    This might be true, but they should have still been questioning this team and likely would have been locally. Just would have been falling on more deaf ears among the fan base. Sometimes you win in spite of yourself. Doesn't mean you're good/fine or deserved to. Any given Sunday bad teams win and good teams lose.
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    the only thing that can lend any credence is the fact that tennessee flat out sucks, and the week 1 result should not be taken at par.

    be ready to deal with the frustrations of an old tom brady. unless the pats resort to the kind of offenses the had early in his career, his health may be in trouble. he needs to be protected. and they have excellent personnel to resort to more dink and dunk.......bring branch back, revert to more of a ball controll passing offense mixed with running the ball FROM UNDER CENTER, and lean on one of the better defenses in the league to be patient and control field position and rim through the rest of the season

    bring back charlie weis
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    Edelman has been around since 2009. We know what we're getting out of him vs. Welker. Three years isn't really that small of a sample size. I'd say that's a pretty hefty amount of data.
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    I agree with Lombardi regarding all 4 of these quotes

    “They are in transition,” ...............Absolutely......The TEcentric offense that BB lusts for is incomplete..... the Oline is definitely in transition as 2 quality vets get replaced.....the running game is an unknown based on youngness and Oline instability.

    “They can’t replace Hernandez,” Lombardi said. “He is their best player.” .......Absolutely again.......AHern is the irreplaceable x-factor....his versatility causes D coordinators to pull their hair out as they decide which package of players to send into the game.....will he be a RB, TE, WR, H-back, widcat.....Ahern is the straw that stirs this drink....the offense is based on Aherns versatility

    "They lack an outside receiver,” he said. ............Welker, Edelman, Lloyd.....is their a slower fleet of WRs in the league. "Lack" is probably the wrong word.......but the deficiency of speed for our down field threats means Brady has to sit in the pocket longer waiting for the WR to shake free. Tough to do with our Oline

    “Brady is not playing well.” ........Locked on to Gronk during the two point conversion when 2 other options were more open......no question the Oline breakdown has forced him to speed up his game.....Trouble with deep passes.....tough to blame the guy....but he is a mechanical passer....disrupt his rhythm and he becomes ordinary
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    And many of the concerns people have will be proven unfounded as the season goes along and proven that they should have been fallen on deaf ears all along. Other may not. Happens every year.

    This time last year, people were questioning this team and proclaiming them one and done in the playoffs if they make it there at all.
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    The lack of an outside receiver comment by Lombardi is just stupid. Lloyd has been a pretty decent outside threat thus far. From what we have seen, a little more work with his timing with Brady and he could be an excellent outside threat.

    All the other comments are true for week 2, but one game does not make a season.
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    Mike Lombardi knows more about football than most of us have forgotten.

    He's one of the few good guys in the sports media.
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    Sorry, it was too easy. But, no, the article, or rather Lombardi's contributions to it, does not seem spot on. Probably on Sunday night, Lombardi will be regretting making these lazy, half-***ed comments.

    He was fine in Week 1. In week 2, his production dipped because protection sucked. Lombardi's contention that he is part of the problem is not at all accurate. Brady's made good throws and good decisions so far.

    He's missed time in both of his first two seasons, and the offense has kept clicking. I love Hernandez, I think he's a huge weapon and one of the most versatile players in the NFL. But the notion that we're dead-in-the-water until he gets back is just not accurate.

    Gronkowski, Welker, Lloyd, Brady. There's about 25 teams in the league that would trade their entire offense for that.

    Well, Lombardi didn't mention that. Ironically. The one real issue, he didn't think to mention.

    The sky is not falling. We ran up against a good defense and had some inopportune things happen. We still have one of the largest offensive pools of talent to draw from in the entire NFL, so why, suddenly are we completely F'd like Lombardi suggests? We're not. It's pure crap from Lombardi.
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    People were questioning a defense that couldn't stop an offense unless the offense somehow stopped itself. This unfounded concern only cost them a championship.
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    Good points. I still think the media and fans are sleeping on the Cards defense. They looked disciplined, aggressive, opportunistic, and physical. Several weeks from now, people may not be looking at the Pats' performance vs. the Cards defense as such shocker.
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