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    Again, im talking objective political observation, not talking who you/I like or prefer.
    The void in the Republican field has made it possible for a second tier candidate to move up. Huckabee is now running second in Iowa, and hes the true social conservative the religious right say they want. Guiliani is this years Howard Dean, Thompson is a bust, McCain destroyed himself by saddling up to the war, Romney is, well, Romney.

    Huckabee, if he can come in strong in Iowa, has a huge court waiting for their king. So look out for him.

    The Democrats would still beat him, as 2008 is simply their year, but im just sayin.......
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    I like Huckabee and he has that feel about him that I think could do well in the general election; the problem is that he doesn't have a big national campaign so even if he wins Iowa his infrastructure the rest of the way isn't strong. That's not to say he can't go on to win the nomination but, unfortunately, winning Iowa would be the easy part for him.
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    I'm agnostic, leaning towards atheist, but I'm fine with a religious fanatic as President; I just want one with some brains and one who will actually watch spending.
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    He's got no shot nationally. Huckebee winning Iowa is the best gift Giuliani could ever wish for. I like Huckabee personally, in that he speaks very politely, and in a manner that is simplistic and sensible. He's a charming guy, but his rise to second has resulted in more articles describing his governorship in Arkansas, and I'm not sure he's the type of candidate the right is genuinley looking for.
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    You mean like the founding fathers?





    I thought it was the war that divided the country? I guess by 'divide this country in much the same way as bush' means that since you don't like him, he's the same as bush.


    Hilarious, you give him the 'religious fanatic' title....then use it against him :rolleyes:


    It's led you off the couch and to this political forum continuously :D
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    I have no idea who i am going to vote for, but i heard Huckabee on the radio the other day doing an interview: he was the only candidate to date (on both sides) that I have heard that actually sounded good. He came across as a 'strait shooter' and answered all the questions without sidestepping into the 'political speak' ......and seemed to be a strait-forward guy. (he was getting some tough questions too, not the softballs so many candidated get) I don't know where he stands on all the different issues, but his attitude was a breath of fresh air!
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    #24 Jersey

    So they're all the same, huh ? Where's Patters to cry of religious discrimination here ?
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    Let's see NEM's tune toward religion when Obama talks to god, or when Hillary starts going to church next year. What was Obama saying about God and creating a Kingdom on Earth? Was NEM overly critical then, calling him a "religious fanatic"? Probably not. See, I don't want, nor require religious anything in candidates. I have no problem with someone who is religious, just as I don't have one with someone who is not. Someone's faith, or lack there of, does give you some insight into their charactor, and that's the only thing I pay attention to.
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    Or if someone pretends, for political reasons, to have faith.....that says alot about someone. We will see how it trends toward election day.
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    #24 Jersey

    Just like if I say all women, mexicans or blacks are all the same. That would go over well wouldn't it ? Well not all overtly religious people are lacking intelligence, nor are they all big spenders.
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    #24 Jersey

    No I'm not. You said :

    So you've decided that if you don't like ONE "charming, simplistic allegedly religious, individual" you don't want another. So if I see some black guy I don't like am I allowed to judge them all based on the one ? I don't think so.
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    #24 Jersey

    It's irrelevant to me. I don't think Bush's intelligence or big spending ways are tied to his religion any more than they are to his race or gender.
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    wow... saving this one...

    anyhow, this country will never "elect" a man who raises his hand when the question "who does NOT believe in evolution?" is asked... but, as we've learned, that doesn't mean he can't become president...
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    I think most people realize a "no" answer means that we didn't evolve from single cell "beings" into what we are today; most religious people acknowledge some degree of evolution but asked "yes" or "no" it's difficult to know which the press will misinterpret worse.
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    an interesting deduction... somehow i doubt he was sitting on the fence on the yes or no question based on his response here in the next debate, when asked about his "no" vote...

    seemed like a man of conviction there... earned a lot more votes from the religious right with that one alone...
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    How freely Christianity is "Bashed" on here but if I should even whisper the word "Allah or Muslim" I am called a Racist.

    Democrats are scared sh!tless of "Islam"

    Do Presbytarians breed "suicide bombers" :confused:
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    I don't vote for any person based on one quality or attribute.
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    hello, the thread is not about who you like, i get it, you dont like Huckabee, I was interested in a discussion of objective politics. Does anyone have an opinion about that or is this going to be a discussion on Christianity?
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    This is a grossly offensive stereotype, not only to Evangelics but to religious people, and a blatent violation of the forum rules. You have been reported to the appropriate authorities.
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    Hey, I was wondering why there wasn't more interest in Huckabee quite awhile ago. I think he has a lot of strengths (for the Republican Party, that is). But, I think someone said the country will never allow someone to lead us named President Huckabee. I also read he's raised taxes quite a bit in Arkansas and is not against using taxes to help the poor. That said, he is conservative on the hot button social issues of abortion and gay rights. He'd never get my vote, but at least he seems like a pretty decent guy from the little I've read.
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    I agree and, thankfully, the country will probably never allow someone to lead us named Barack Hussein Obama.
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    Clearly, Huckabee has connected with the Evangelical Christians. I spent a year in South Carolina, his answer last night to the Bible question just won him over most of them down there. Rasmussen now has him leading in Iowa.

    All im saying is he is now out of the second tier and is a serious contender for the nomination.
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    Lifer, I only caught the last 30-40 minutes of the debate, and whatever highlights thereafter. Huckabee, on style alone, is extremely appealing. He's a very charming guy. My problems with him are that he doesn't seem to be a small government guy, nor an opponent of amnesty. I'm curious to learn more about him, since no one else really stands out, but from what little I've read, he had some ethics issues in Arkansas. Know anything about that, or his record there?
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    No one has mentioned what I think is the biggest reason he is intriguing, his support of the Fair Tax.

    The Fair Tax would change the way business is done in Washington, but unfortunately, that is exactly why he'd never get the support from Congress to implement it.
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    I think they're more scared of Christianity. Not the kind that just stays in the Church, like a good little boy or girl, but the kind that puts its money where its mouth is. THAT is scary as hell -- actually more scary than hell -- to many of the Dem leadership.


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    I like Mike Huckabee, funny name and all. I think he'd make a fine president. He may be my number one now. And many evangelical Christians wouldn't let me into their house because I'm a "Moonie".


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    You might be surprised on that one. Public opinion is shifting. Steadily. Some schools won't allow evolution theory to be taught anymore, at least without the disclaimer of it being "an unproven theory". It's one step away from the eternal trash can, where it belongs.



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    I'd say that's lower than whale sh!t, but you already know that.

    Bush beat the AlGore AND Spanky John Kerry.

    :woohoo:



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    evolution belongs in the trash can? wow...

    anyhow, here's Huckabee's "Kucinich moment"... let no one forget, this guy's also crazy...

    i already know what? i've asked you repeatedly to stop dictating my position based on what you feel... you continue to do so...

    he didn't "win" in 2000... his handlers hijacked the tally in two key states via voter suppression, stalling tactics, and double standards... any time you'd like to have a full discussion of the 2000 election, we can do so... but please stop suggesting i agree with your goofy assertion ... i almost never do, so let that be the default assumption before flapping your gums...
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    You heard me right: evolution theory is a steaming pile of horse dung, with all due apologies to horses and their sh!t. In fifty years evolution theory will take its rightful place along side the flat-earthers and the-sun-revolves-around-the-earth crowd. Maybe sooner.

    Your link doesn't work.

    OK, so I gave you more credit than you deserve. Fine, you're twice the fool then.


    Yeah, right. Bush only won because the Supremes had more Reagan and Bush41 appointees than Carter/Clinton appointees. Sure thing, Pressy. Can I have fries with that?

    They counted the results more times than Bill Clinton told his enabling wife "he didn't have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky", and it always came out with Bush on top. Good God, get over it, man!


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    i love how you make predictions as God's Witnessed fact, for things you can't prove, and will be long dead before they ever come to fruition... get over yourself...


    works just fine for me... either way, here's the transcript from the Republican Governors Association Dinner in 2004:

    HUCKABEE: Hello? I’m sorry. I’m right in the middle of an event. It’s who? It’s God? On the phone for me? How did he get my number? Oh, God has everybody’s number. OK? Yes, I’ll hold. ...

    We’re behind [Bush], yes, sir, we sure are. Yes, sir, we know you don’t take sides in the election. But, if you did, we kind of think you’d hang in there with us, Lord, we really do.


    yup, that's right... he's crazy...

    translation: "sorry for making up things again and assigning you to them... i do that a lot, because it's one of my few weapons."

    you wanna do this then? truly? care to start a new thread?
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