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    What a waste of taxpayer money and resources.

    Michigan Woman Faces Civil Rights Complaint for Seeking a Christian Roommate

    Published October 22, 2010

    A civil rights complaint has been filed against a woman in Grand Rapids, Mich., who posted an advertisement at her church last July seeking a Christian roommate.

    The ad "expresses an illegal preference for a Christian roommate, thus excluding people of other faiths,” according to the complaint filed by the Fair Housing Center of West Michigan.

    "It's a violation to make, print or publish a discriminatory statement," Executive Director Nancy Haynes told Fox News. "There are no exemptions to that."

    Haynes said the unnamed 31-year-old woman’s case was turned over to the Michigan Department of Civil Rights. Depending on the outcome of the case, she said, the woman could face several hundreds of dollars in fines and “fair housing training so it doesn’t happen again.”


    Michigan Woman Faces Civil Rights Complaint for Seeking a Christian Roommate - FoxNews.com
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    Disturbing sig, man.
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    Worst part of this story is the woman was actually A MAN, BABY!


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    So nice to know another scumbag bigot is meeting justice. How dare anyone seek someone compatible to live with? If a Satin worshiper wants to move in, then let them and and like it!:rolleyes:
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    You're not allowed to state discriminatory preferences in housing advertisements.

    I thought this was common knowledge?
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    I don't know something smells fishy here. Just like the old saying (which i adhere to) "If its to good to be true then it probably is" so if its to absurd to be true it probably is. This women put this up in her church, and this happened it deosn't make any sense.
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    Waiting for the story to load. I would have to assume that the person who lived there, also owned it which would then make it a "violation" to only rent to certain people... even though she lived there herself. Although, if you own it, shouldn't you be able to rent to whoever you want? Since, you know, it's yours?
    Maybe it was a state run low income type place?
    Ok, no mention of anything in the story.
    Weird.
    A few funny quotes:
    So if I have a dwelling who just had a person in a wheelchair in it for 10 years, I can't mention that it is parapalegic friendly up on the local hospitol rehab center's bulletin board?

    LOL. Someone's not a very nice Christian!!

    Oh noes! I wouldn't feel welcome to rent one specific apartment that already has someone in it! Odds are if I am not Christian, I wouldn't want to live with this lady anyway. Although, if I was not Christian, I probably wouldn't see her flier up on her CHURCH bulletin board...
    Sweet jesus this is dumb.
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    Now that I think about it, the only place this lady was advertising was her own church. Did she really need to specify she wanted a Christian roomate?? Seems kind of a waste of ink on paper.
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    Something's seriously wrong then. I can see it if you're renting out an apartment but if you're just seeking a roommate? That goes too far.
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    Lord knows (pun intended) that this was meant as a form of discrimination. Consider the logic here. If you're a woman, looking for a female roomate, it would be discriminatory to say so when you're looking for one. Really, that makes so much sense. What a waste of time and resources. With all that is going on in the world, this is truly a waste of time and money.
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    I agree, though, that this is pretty dumb. Whomever reported this probably like the loser in my townhouse development who always calls to have cars towed. Get a life.
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    The laws do not apply the same to an individual seeking a roomate as they would to, say, an apartment complex renting out 150 rooms.

    I thought that was common knowledge?
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    Actually, they do.

    To wit, section 3604(c) of the Federal Fair Housing Act:

    Generally when you attempt snark, it's a good idea to know what you're talking about.
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    Actually they don't. According to your own logic, she shouldn't be allowed to request a female roommate and has to allow men the chance to live with her. You should read the actual article that the OP referenced:

    "She is not prohibited by either federal law or state law from seeking a Christian roommate," he states in the letter as he cites the 1968 U.S. Fair Housing Civil Rights Act and the Elliot Larsen Civil Rights Act.

    "To the extent either law is applied against her to interfere with her right to live with a Christian roommate, such action would be in blatant violation of her First Amendment rights to freedom of association," Oster contends.
    I agree, and yet you continue to make a fool of yourself time and again.
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    No, your article says this about shared living space and gender.

    noting that there are exemptions in the law for gender when there is a shared living space.
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    No, according to the article posted it says that there are exceptions for gender when the living space is shared.

    Yes, you should....if you had, you'd have read the above quote about exceptions for gender.

    Yep, that's what her lawyer is claiming, alright. However, that's not what the courts have decided in this particular case, is it?

    Why not wait and see if he's got the winning hand or the people who filed the lawsuit do?
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    Ah, so that clears thing up. You can't discriminate - unless you want to discriminate against men. Got'cha. :rolleyes:

    This is just a losing case for any civil rights commission because they don't have the law (or common sense) on their side. If anyone disagrees with me, I will gladly place a gentleman's wager on how this case turns out.
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    Well you read my mind! I just made a post suggesting the same thing ( the "gentleman's wager").

    Of course, I don't expect this will ever make it to an actual courtroom. This is the sort of thing where once the public hears about the absurd lawsuit being contemplated, the MI Dept of Civil Rights will meekly back down.
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    Did you even read the statute? Methinks not.

    Yep, okay. Keep telling us how the Constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens, Einstein. Regardless of the numerous times you've beclowned yourself in the past, what you stated here:

    ...is plainly incorrect. You like to talk tough but at the end of the day, as usual, you really don't know diddly.
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    The exception to the law applies equally to males or females, WP. It does not discriminate against men - or women. It merely says that if there is shared living space you can, legally, specify that the living space is to be shared by members of the same sex.
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    Actually, they are exactly the same when it comes to how you advertise them. There is a slight difference for actually renting them which depends on the owner living in one of less than four rental units.

    (From Craigs List)
    ________________________

    What are the laws for roommates and shared housing?

    Federal Fair Housing laws for roommates and shared housing have two components: advertising and decision-making.

    Advertising: Federal Fair Housing laws prohibit discriminatory advertising in all housing, regardless of how large or small the property. However, as discussed below, advertising which expresses a preference based upon sex is allowed in shared living situations where tenants will share a bathroom, kitchen, or other common area.

    Decision-making: Although the prohibition on discriminatory advertising applies to roommate and shared housing situations, federal Fair Housing laws do not cover the basis of decisions made by landowners who own less than four units, and live in one of the units. This means that in a situation in which a landlord owns less than four rental units, and lives in one of the units, it is legal for the owner to discriminate in the selection process based on the aforementioned categories, but it is illegal for that owner to advertise or otherwise make a statement expressing that discriminatory preference.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Are there any exceptions to the advertising laws?

    Under federal Fair Housing law, the prohibition on discriminatory advertisements applies to all situations except the following:

    Shared Housing Exemption -- If you are advertising a shared housing unit, in which tenants will be sharing a bathroom, kitchen, or other common area, you may express a preference based upon sex only.

    Private Club and Religious Exemptions -- A religious community or private club whose membership is not restricted based upon race, color, or national origin may restrict tenancy only to its members in a property that it owns, and may advertise to that effect.

    Housing for Older Persons Exemption -- As discussed below, certain complexes for elderly persons are exempt from prohibitions on familial status discrimination, including the prohibitions on discriminatory advertising.


    craigslist | about > FHA

    I presume CraigsList knows exactly what they're talking about simply because it's something which they need to be concerned about.
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    Harry, I'm curious....what is it inside of you which makes you take such delight in tormenting Jews and Muslims?
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    So in other words, you agree that I am right when I said "The laws do not apply the same to an individual seeking a roomate as they would to, say, an apartment complex renting out 150 rooms." Now could you please explain that to JackBauer? Of course, once you disagree with him, he'll insult you and try desperately to change the subject.
    Funny you mention Craigslist because they went to court over the matter and won. They may have certain standards on their website but according to this court, they don't have to. And remember, according to you, courts are always right!

    Court Backs Craigslist in Discrimination Brouhaha | Threat Level | Wired.com

    A federal appeals court dismissed a discrimination suit against craigslist, ruling Friday the online classified advertising site is immune from accusations that it violates the federal Fair Housing Act of 1968.

    At issue is whether the site can be liable for allowing its customers to post discriminatory housing ads that say, for example, whites only, or those that forbid gays and lesbians. The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in upholding a lower court judge, ruled craigslist should be treated like an internet service provider and hence is not liable for the postings of third parties.
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    Seems to me the intention of the law was for landlords not to discriminate. I suppose that if the law was worded poorly then perhaps the housing commission might be forced to pursue a punishment, but I expect there's discretion that isn't being made use of at least not yet anyway.
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    Regardless of the law...(because the law is foolish as written)...Anyone looking for a roommate SHOULD be allowed to discriminate however they please whether written or not.

    If a person wants a room mate, they should be able to be as specific as possible about the type of person they want to live to with. If I saw a sigh the read;

    Roommate Wanted:
    Looking for
    -Single
    -White
    -Christian
    -Female
    -Lesbian

    or....

    Roommate Wanted:
    Looking for
    -Single
    -African-American
    -Muslim
    -Male
    -Heterosexual

    It's frikkn' fine & dandy for crissakes!!
    Cut the all the over-done PC bullsh1t!!!
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    His daughters married a Muslim & and a Jew?
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    The idea that these laws would apply to people seeking roomates seems ridiculous to me.

    The idea that they would apply to advertising but not actions seems even more ridiculous.

    OT: by the way, a few folks here have wondered why I often bring up social issues when discussing small govt. This is yet another instance of govt overreaching in a manner that doesn't just involve taxes.
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    Me too! Unfortunately liberalism does not allow for the application of common sense.
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    We've been talking about ADVERTISING, WP. The laws regarding ADVERTISING are the same regardless of what size apartment/room/house you're renting.

    What part of Advertising: Federal Fair Housing laws prohibit discriminatory advertising in all housing, regardless of how large or small the property. However, as discussed below, advertising which expresses a preference based upon sex is allowed in shared living situations where tenants will share a bathroom, kitchen, or other common area. are you having trouble understanding?

    As for JB insulting me, that's never been a problem. Not with him, anyhow. There are only one or two people who insult me with any regularity - and he's not one of them.


    Which has diddlysquat to do with what we're talking about. Craigslist also states on it's website that these are the federal rules, and if you post an ad which violates the federal rules, it'll be removed. The third party who posts the ad is the one who will be held liable.

    As it says on the Craigslist page I linked to previously:

    If you encounter a housing posting on craigslist that you believe violates the Fair Housing laws, please flag the posting as "prohibited".

    In addition to penalties that may be applied by regulatory agencies, attempts to post discriminatory ads may be blocked and/or subjected to other remedial measures.

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