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  1. slash83

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    I personally think that Meriweather will be the starting FS begining of the season. With all the focus of getting faster on defense I think Meriweather is the better option then Sanders. Meriweather brings more speed range and playmaking ability to the FS position then Sanders does. Sanders is a solid player but I see him splitting time with Rodney on early downs while Meriweather holds down the FS spot. What do you guys think, would you rather see Meriweather start at FS instead of Sanders?
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    Re: Meriweather at FS

    You'll see Sanders starting at FS and Harrison at SS. Meriweather will "start" as sort of a hybrid NB/DB/3rd safety as he did in the Super Bowl.
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    We do not actually have a strong safety and free safety in our system, we have a left safety and a right safety, meaning that each safety is SS on some plays and FS on others.
    I dont care so much about who starts. All 3 will play a lot.
    My biggest concern is that Harrison isnt playing safety in nickel/dime, or especially 2 minute D. He needs to be in a LB position or on the sidelines in those situations. He is very good as a LB in nickel/dime, by the way.
    They will all play a lot. Tank williams may also.
    I would expect that Meriwhether will get easily the most snaps among the safeties. I would guess that Harrison will play a lot in the base, and Sanders will spell Meriwhether sometimes in the base, and sub in for Harrison in the nickel/dime/2 minute D.

    I would not be surprised to see as many as 4 safeties playing in the sub package, because Meriwhether could easily be the 'nickel corner' with Harrison or Williams aligned as a 'LB' and the other plus sanders at the traditional safety spots.

    I am not confident that we have 2 every down safeties that would be an excellent unit, but I am very confident that we have the versatility, different skill sets, experience and ability among the group that the way we use them will amount to an excellent unit.
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    We are moving towards defensive back`s where we seem to have a few db`s with different skills coming in in various roll. we are not a tradinal defence by any chance.
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    I agree. Sanders maybe a decent backup but not a starter.
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    I think you guys are a year out of date. There are four Safeties on teh team now, all four of whom are starter capable players.

    This is Rodneys' last year, and I would not be surprised to see his playing time dwindle to almost nothing.

    Cleavon Wiliams is a big, good, Strong Safety, just like Rodney. Brandon and James are cureent equally good smaller safeties; but Brandon has a higher upside and can be a Star.

    Do you remember Troy Brown's last seasaon. He was on the roster, still helped to provide leadership and lockerroom presence, but didn't play much.

    This is the Rodney phase out scenario.
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    I clicked on this thread just to make sure you commented.

    Your vitriol seems to have lessened. That's good to see.

    I think all 3 of the guys will get alot of PT this year. I don't see Rodney playing an insignificant role on the field like Troy did last year.
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    B Meriweather will rotate between S and CB i think
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    Where we struggled badly last year was over the middle where we were relying on Rodney, Bruschi and Seau to provide coverage in pass plays. Thats why we gave up so much over the middle last year and teams figured it out.

    I think BB and Pees have seen this, addressed it in FA and the draft and will use younger inside LB's (Mayo and Hobson) and younger safety's (B, JS and TW). I see Rodney playing on running plays or as a psudo 3rd LB as he did last year to match up on TE's like Clark and Witten
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    we may have 4 safeties on the filed at one time as you said....but also factor that the LBs in those situations may be Mayo, Thomas, Vrable. Meaning our 3-4 nickle will be that much faster than it used to be as Mayo increases speed as much as the Safeties will.
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    Stop this discussion!!!!

    Discussing topics like this is making the wait to September unbearable
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    My opinion pretty much follows Andy's here. I can see Sanders & Stomper as our base duo; Rodney and/or Tank as short-yardage Ss & as long-yardage LBs with both coverage & blitzing duties. Stomper could also cover the slot WR on passing downs while Sanders plays CF. IDK if it's wise to have all 4 out there at the same time, however. My only wish would be to have an experienced vet as backup FS. Maybe Lewis Sanders could be that guy if the coaches feel that he doesn't possess the quickness for CB but does have the tackling ability for FS; he def. has the size.
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    i'd like to see meriweather free safely catch the ball when it's between his hands. otherwise, i'm happy to have him on the field.

    Rod Harrison is still a contributer to this team, whatever that means. If he can't play, he won't. In BB I trust.
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    So is this your new persona, making up nicknames to bring out the worst possible impression of our players ? Between this and your sh!t on Kaczur . . . it's sad.
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    Excellent post. :confused:

    Anyway, Meriweather was really starting to catch on at the end of last season. The only exception, which is noted in this quotation, is that he could not hold on to an INT. Other than that, he was laying some wood out there and was starting to find his way into the "right place at the right time". After the Dolphin game, my friend and co-worker who is not a Patriot fan even mentioned BM by name for a big hit that he put on Ted "The Dancing Queen" Ginn. I don't think he'll start at the beginning of the season, but at the end of the season we should see him in on most downs with Rodney.
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    Supposedly he put a lot of work into his hands this offseason, hopefully it will show on the field.
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    I thought it was funny to be honest with you.
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    I wouldn't worry about the lack of a veteran FS as Merriweather and Sanders are versatile and both could be either. So the lack of a vet FS only would hurt if both went down as Tank and Rodney at both Safety spots might be a little slow. But that is still better than every other team would field if they lost 2 of their top 3 safties.
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    Remember our OLBs are typically DEs in the nickel/dime.
    So really what you are doing is removing 1 or 2 DL (we can use 3 or 4 man line in either) moving 2 LBs to DL, and adding 1 or 2 dbs (nickle or dime) and the remaining 2 LBs can either play a LB spot, or be replaced by an additional DB with one safety moving to a "LB" spot.
    In the dime for example, we can have 3 or 4 DL (2 of which are LBs by trade) and as many as 7 DBs, with some of them aligned as 'LBs'.
    that is one of the best parts of BBs system, is that he has versatile players who may be called a safety but are really an undersized great cover LB in those situations, or may be called an OLB but are really a pass rushing DE in those situaitons.
    The point being that when you are in passing situations, the skillset required at many positions is different than what it is in a base D, and BB uses personell to adust to that.
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    Thanks, I seem to be now preaching to the choir.
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    Thanks, K. Glad to see that not all of us have lost our senses of humor.

    Unless and until BM becomes better-known for his hands - as in securing INTs - instead of his feet - as in kicking opposing players while they lay helpless on the ground - then Stomper he is, and Stomper he shall remain. So there.
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    On passing downs, I'd expect to see Sanders/Meriweather at safety, Mayo at ILB, and Wheatley at NB. That's a huge increase in team speed over the middle, which was a weakness last year, perhaps the most notable defensive weakness.

    Rodney is still a big asset and none of us know either how Rodney will be used with the faster safeties available, or how Tank Williams will be used, who has some of Rodney's physical abilities. Williams has more speed, but doesn't have Rodney's grasp of the defense or his anticipation, which are exceptional.

    It's a lot of smart, fast, moving parts, and a good mix of veterans and newbies. What's fun is they have a great secondary coach with an agressive attitude. I could see this as being one of the top units league-wide in turnovers.

    Young QB's especially will find this a tough unit to read.
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    I wasn't aware we had signed the defensive back equivalents of Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Donte Stallworth. No room for Rodney this year then. Better that they cut him.
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    I haven't lost my sense of humor, in fact it's the very presence of said sense that tells me your weak nicknames of Ruud and Meriweather aren't funny.

    I think you should change your last statement to say "Unless and until BM becomes better-known [to me] for his hands..." You're about the only person who feels the need to harp on a single mistake made by a player when he was in college. Do you sit in your room and call Seymour "Tarik Two-Step" or Mankins "Donkey Punch"?

    "Boo hoo, my feelings are hurt because the Patriots drafted players I didn't think they were going to draft. Wahhh. Now I'm going to belittle those players even though they play for the team that I supposedly root for."

    Grow up.
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    I think Sanders and Tank are about the same talent level. That means we have a great rotation, good depth, and some gas in the tank in December.

    I'm guessing playing time will be split betweeen Rodney and Tank or Sanders and Meriweather.
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    Very nice elaboration on my point. Talk about added speed. Taking a guy like Wilfork off the field on obvious pass down and putting an extra DBack on the field and rotating the DB to LB and LB to end.

    BB has been talking up versatility for years but is it just me or does he seem to have the most versatile team he has fielded???
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    I'm watching ESPNU and they are showing a FL state vs Miami game from 2005. It's half over, but Meriweather is making a lot of plays.
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    Don't rule out a three safety set on goal line or short yardage situation where it's Rodney and Tank with Meriweather as the cover safety/CB.
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    BillBelichick is all about matchups and situations.

    When discussing the third and long situations, I think you have to be more analytical.

    Does the opponent third and long package include a good pass catching Tight End? Do they get their conversions from a shifty RB with draws or checkdown? Do they convert with a pair/trio of possesion WRs?

    In each case there is a different crew that BB would send out.

    In the TE case, he might have Tank or Rodney serve as a OLB, to cover the TE, along with Brandon.

    In the shifty RB case, he might have Tank or Rodney play in the box, and put speed in with Mayo and and a quick nickle like Wheatly or Webster to defend the short RB routes.

    In the case of multiple short "possesion WRs", then he might play three or four experienced "quick twitch" man-on, CBs like Ellis, Fernando, TWheat and Brandon and/or Webster,expecting them to smother the quick but not fast WRs.

    Different strokes for different folks.

    One of the things that made our Offense in2007 so formidable, was that we had the deep threats in Moss and Stallworth, the possesion guys in Welker and Gaffney, the pass receiving TE in Watson and at the same time could field the shifty RB for draws, screens and circle routes, in Faulk. Did I mention the quick slot guy in Welker too?

    We lost several of these guys to dings, Faulk and Neal and Watson, in the SB, and the Offense bogged down some.
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