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    STAMFORD, Conn. (AP) — Alexis Molina was just 10 years old when his mother was abruptly cut out of his life and his carefree childhood unraveled overnight.

    Gone were the egg-and-sausage tortillas that greeted him when he came home from school, the walks in the park, the hugs at night when she tucked him into bed. Today the sweet-faced boy of 11 spends his time worrying about why his father cries so much, and why his mom can't come home.

    "She went for her papers," he says. "And she never came back."

    Alexis' father, Rony Molina, who runs a small landscaping company, was born in Guatemala but has lived here for 12 years and is an American citizen. Alexis and his 8-year-old brother, Steve, are Americans, too. So is their 19-year-old stepsister, Evelin. But their mother, Sandra, who lived here illegally, was deported to Guatemala a year and a half ago.

    "How can my country not allow a mother to be with her children, especially when they are so young and they need her," Rony Molina asks, "and especially when they are Americans?"

    It's a question thousands of other families are wrestling with as a record number of deportations means record numbers of American children being left without a parent. And it comes despite President Barack Obama's promise that his administration would focus on removing only criminals, not breaking up families even if a parent is here illegally.

    Nearly 45,000 such parents were removed in the first six months of this year, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).


    Parents deported, what happens to US-born kids? - Yahoo! News

    Hey...you took a chance that you wouldn't get caught but you got caught....oh, well.
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    Ordinarily if a woman was here and married to an US citizen it wouls seem they could become a citizen also.
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    Not if she entered the USA illegally....she doesn't qualify.
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    this is what I have been saying ... President Bush had a great plan IMO and that plan never came to be. Work things out for those here and toughen up the border to move forward. Horrible social problems created from this mess.
    Makes me angry to see these kids lives turned upside down ... but I've said plenty about it already.
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    Why the hell do these people people come here, is Mexico that bad that 12 million leave and sneak into another country illegally, Mexico must be one of worst sh1t holes on this planet.

    The USA shoud invade them, take them over then set them up with their own American Government, would that keep them home, teach them how to have
    what we have here than they wouldn't have to leave.

    INVADE MEXICO NOW F-CK AFGHANISTAN AND ALL OF THE MIDDLE EAST, INVADE MEXICO.
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    Have you ever been out of the country HB?

    The US is sorta like Disney Land compared to many places.
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    You know Harry I have had this discussion with many people. My best opinion on it is this. If you lived a destitute life in another country. You could not provide for them where you lived. It killed you day after day to watch them suffer and you knew you could change that. You also knew you were breaking the law but breaking the law was way less a factor than saving your family.

    Who here in this forum would accept that fate to continue to live where they were?

    Who in this forum would do anything in the world to save their family?

    Would you give your life to make the lives of your family better?

    I've known and still know many of these people over the years. They are so far from the image of criminal in my mind I cannot comprehend the anger towards them. In the old days of the country neighbors helped neighbors - those days have sadly passed.
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    All great points Icy Pat! But as US citizens, we have to look at this issue from OUR perspective, not that of illegal immigrants. I say that because despite everything you wrote being true, we still can't allow people to just walk into our country and take up residence.

    We really-REALLY should have done something by now that would make it drastically more difficult to enter this country illegally.
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    I don't blame the illegals for coming here. I blame the people who are here - mostly on the left - who allow it to happen without restriction.

    When every American has a full stomache, roof over their heads and access to healthcare, then I'll say the U.S. government should start providing those services to the rest of the world. In the meantime, let's take care of our countrymen first.
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    Would you steal to "save" your family? Would you steal to improve your situation for your family?

    Because that's exactly what these people are doing....stealing. They are using false identification....stealing other people's Social Security numbers (and in many cases ruining their credit)......stealing other people's jobs.....not paying federal and state payroll taxes....stealing welfare benefits with their anchor babies.....stealing government healthcare services.......stealing schooling paid by the tax payers.

    This assumes that they aren't here for the drug trade or other illegal activity.

    What about all the people who come here legally? The people who get in line, go through the process and pay their dues. What do you say to them? Sorry sucker?
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    When the border is sealed, and the laws enforced, then we can talk about what to do with all the illegals that are here. Until then, anything the government (politicians) promise to do, is worthless. Cuz they can't be trusted.
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    We are a nation of immigrants (LEGAL) we have always welcomed them, where do you draw the line, how many more years can it go on, America is HOME to it's citizens, do any of you open the front door to your home and just allow anybody to walk in and live with you, what effect will illegal immigration have on America if it is allowed to continue, why don't they just do what millions of other immigrants have done "ENTER LEGALLY".

    If criminal Illegal Aliens continue their invasion unchecked America will no longer be "Disneyland" America will be a far different place for your children than it was for you.
    God Willing you will all still be free and able to walk your streets at night without somebody blowing your f-cking head off.
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    And meanwhile the right wing will fight tooth and nail against every American having access to healthcare, a full stomach, or a roof over their heads.

    Just plain comical.

    Immigrants come here primarily to work, not to take advantage of our social programs ( that staple of desperate righty ploys when talking immigration.)

    PFnV
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    Every American has always had access to healthcare. It's called the ER.

    As for why immigrants come here, they do so for plenty of reasons. The bottom line, is that too many come. Lots of which come without permission, or the legal authority to do so. When they come, by way of their sheer existence, they recieve social services of all kinds, which adds additional strain to an already troubled system. If you're going to charge one side with using "ploys" you could at least be honest about the issues that the illegal invasion genuinely bring. I won't hold my breathe though.
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    That's funny....I don't remember any Republican being against people having access to healthcare , food, and shelter. I just think that they feel (like our founding fathers) that people are responsible for themselves and that if you want healthcare, food , and a home that you have to pay for all of them (since someone else is providing them for you).
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    :rofl: :rofl: That's a good one, Mr!! :rofl: :rofl: See, I knew there was a sense of humor in there somewhere!! :rofl: :rofl:

    :rofl: :rofl: Well done and huzzah! :rofl: :rofl:
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    So they can move in next to you, and piss you the fvc off. :bricks:
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    Wolf if you knew any of these people you would see the truth to that statement. Your response shows you don't know any. Better to see the world for yourself because the internet doesn't always paint the correct picture.
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    FAIR research suggests that "between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through immigrant competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year." The National Research Council, part of the National Academy of Sciences, found in 1997 that the average immigrant without a high school education imposes a net fiscal burden on public coffers of $89,000 during the course of his or her lifetime. The average immigrant with only a high school education creates a lifetime fiscal burden of $31,000.

    80% of cocaine and 50% of heroin in the U.S. is smuggled across the border by Mexican nationals. Drug cartels spend a half-billion dollars per year bribing Mexico's corrupt generals and police officials, and armed confrontations between the Mexican army and U.S. Border Patrol agents are a real threat. There have been 118 documented incursions by the Mexican military over the last five years.

    Illegal aliens have cost billions of taxpayer-funded dollars for medical services. Dozens of hospitals in Texas, New Mexico Arizona, and California, have been forced to close or face bankruptcy because of federally-mandated programs requiring free emergency room services to illegal aliens. Taxpayers pay half-a-billion dollars per year incarcerating illegal alien criminals.

    Immigration is a net drain on the economy; corporate interests reap the benefits of cheap labor, while taxpayers pay the infrastructural cost. FAIR research shows "the net annual cost of immigration has been estimated at between $67 and $87 billion a year.[/B] The National Academy of Sciences found that the net fiscal drain on American taxpayers is between $166 and $226 a year per native household. Even studies claiming some modest overall gain for the economy from immigration ($1 to $10 billion a year) have found that it is outweighed by the fiscal cost ($15 to $20 billion a year) to native taxpayers."

    The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states $7.4 billion annually—enough to buy a computer for every junior high student nationwide.9

    Economic costs of legal and illegal immigration | colorado immigration law resources reference
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    Fraud by illegal immigrants destroying children’s lives

    “The use of fraudulent documents for employment authorization and child identity theft go hand-in-hand because adults can use children’s Social Security numbers for years without being detected,” Ronald Mortensen, a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, testified at a congressional hearing I chaired this month. “Document fraud, therefore, is not a victimless crime and the children whose Social Security numbers are used for employment purposes suffer very real and serious harm.”

    Jennifer Andrushko’s 3-year-old son is one of those victims. His identity was taken by an illegal immigrant, who then used it to fraudulently obtain work and run up unpaid medical bills.

    “I cannot express how ridiculous it is that my son’s Social Security number has been used for care at an OB/GYN’s office or how frightening it is to know that my son’s medical history has been blatantly corrupted, which could have serious, life-threatening impacts on my son’s life and medical care,” Andrushko said in her testimony.

    When Andrushko’s son was born, the Social Security Administration issued him a Social Security number that had already been used for years by an illegal immigrant. His credit, his medical history, his work history and his potential for being denied future benefits were immediately corrupted.

    The illegal immigrant who created the fake Social Security number was arrested and placed on an immigration hold and yet released – twice. She runs free while the Andrushko boy’s Social Security number is tied to a criminal record.

    Andrushko is not an isolated case. The SSA Actuary estimates that 75 percent of illegal immigrants obtain and use a fraudulent Social Security number.

    The millions of victims include:

    · A 9-year-old boy who was denied Medicaid because wages were reported on his Social Security number.

    · A 13-year-old girl who was denied as a dependent on her family’s tax return because she supposedly made too much money.

    · An 11-year-old girl and a 13-year-old girl whose Social Security numbers are being used by multiple people for work authorization.

    A Carnegie Mellon CyLab survey discovered that children are 51 times more likely to be victims of identity theft than adults, Mortensen noted.

    “Children’s Social Security numbers are especially valuable for employment purposes. Children do not use their Social Security numbers for employment, credit or other purposes, thus the illegal use of their Social Security numbers can go unnoticed for many years,” he said.

    The SSA is no help to victims of Social Security fraud. Neither are the IRS or the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. The Andrushko family has been battling to clear their son’s history since 2009, with no end in sight.

    “Words cannot adequately express the hurt, anger, frustration and betrayal that we have felt in battling this,” Mrs. Andrushko said.

    Members of Congress are working on ways to help the Andrushko family and others who have already become victims. We also need to find ways to keep other children from falling victim to identity theft.

    One quick and easy way is to make E-Verify mandatory. E-Verify is an easy-to-use, accurate, computer-based employee verification system that ensures employees have a legal right to work in the United States. Nearly 360,000 American employers voluntarily use E-Verify and more than 2,700 new businesses sign up every week. It matches a person’s name, Social Security number and date of birth against Homeland Security Department and SSA databases. If the three fail to match, the person is denied employment.

    As Mortensen noted:

    “E-Verify can help dramatically reduce job-related, child identity theft because an employer using the system in good faith cannot legally enter a child’s date of birth when the employee is obviously an adult.”

    E-Verify would open millions of jobs for American workers and protect millions of children from identity theft. It helps solve two major problems facing American families today. The time to make it mandatory is now.


    Fraud by illegal immigrants destroying children’s lives - ALIPAC

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