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McCain's Foreign Policy: Screw Russia and China

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    Is this moron for real? It seems he has more and more of these "senior moments" all the time.

    The man said he knows little about the economy and now it is for sure that he knows diddly squat about foreign policy.

    Come on, is this the best that the Republican Party could find for a presidential candidate?

    Here is McCain at his best, or worst, or whatever the hell it is.

    On March 26, McCain gave a speech on foreign policy in Los Angeles that was billed as his most comprehensive statement on the subject. It contained within it the most radical idea put forward by a major candidate for the presidency in 25 years. Yet almost no one noticed.

    In his speech McCain proposed that the United States expel Russia from the G8, the group of advanced industrial countries. Moscow was included in this body in the 1990s to recognize and reward it for peacefully ending the cold war on Western terms, dismantling the Soviet empire and withdrawing from large chunks of the old Russian Empire as well. McCain also proposed that the United States should expand the G8 by taking in India and Brazil-but pointedly excluded China from the councils of power.

    We have spent months debating Barack Obama’s suggestion that he might, under some circumstances, meet with Iranians and Venezuelans. It is a sign of what is wrong with the foreign-policy debate that this idea is treated as a revolution in U.S. policy while McCain’s proposal has barely registered. What McCain has announced is momentous-that the United States should adopt a policy of active exclusion and hostility toward two major global powers. It would reverse a decades-old bipartisan American policy of integrating these two countries into the global order, a policy that began under Richard Nixon (with Beijing) and continued under Ronald Reagan (with Moscow). It is a policy that would alienate many countries in Europe and Asia who would see it as an attempt by Washington to begin a new cold war.

    By what perverse metric could this possibly be seen as in our country’s best interest? It’s not bad enough that Bush has alienated all of the Middle East against us, now we have to piss off the entire world?


    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/05/mccains-schizophrenic-foreign-policy/

    What a friggin idiot. How can anyone even consider voting for this jerk?
     
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    Wait, it is a way to recognize and punish Russia's backslide from freedom and China's human rights abuses. That makes at least some sense to me. Now, would he take a similarly hard line with some of our "allies" that have human rights abuses (I'm looking at you Saudi Arabia)? Probably not, but this might be an effective way of showing our frustration with China/Russia and letting them and the world know we don't think its OK.

    Also strange that the article uses Reagan as an example of bringing Russia into the fold, I mean, that was his ultimate goal, but he went about it by making confrontational remarks about the soviets, then backing those up with a military buildup and aggressive anti-communism foreign policy. In effect, wouldn't McCain's plan be similar to that, except using exclusion from the G8 as the stick instead of an arms buildup?

    It is an interesting debate though Mosi as to what works better in foreign policy, the carrot or the stick. Obama seems to prefer the carrot approach, McCain the stick.
     
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    We have seen the results of "the stick" from Bush and it's not pretty.

    In either case what McCain suggests could have very serious repercussions. It is a very dangerous way to approach foreign relations in today's world with all that is happening. In Reagan's day things were very different around the world and with the respect most nations of the world had for us at that time compared to now.

    I for one do not think it is worth the risk especially considering that China holds trillions of dollars in IOU's against us and they just might call them all in if agitated enough.

    Would you want to eat at a place that is called McChungs and has red arches instead of golden ones or shop at WangMart? :D
     
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    Not to worry, mosi all the "Senior Moments" will be brought back up once the Dems settle on a candidate. Then the REAL race begins,and all this will be brought up again. That statement was beyond a senior moment. That was an out of touch with reality moment.
     
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    I agree. And it is already beginning as Obama made some direct hits on McCain last night.

    McCain has more vulnerability that any Republican or Democratic candidate I have ever seen. The debates are something that he and the RNC are not looking forward to.
     
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    But we've also seen the stick work well before, like Reagan and the Soviets, W with Libya, heck, even Bush 41 and Clinton with Iraq (forcing compliance with inspectors through force). We've also seen examples of the carrot being ineffective, such as with Bush 43 and Clinton and North Korea, Carter and the Soviets, Chamberlain and Nazi Germany, etc etc. If Bush and the Iraq debacle has shown us anything its that nation building is extremely difficult, and maybe not a realistic foreign policy option after military action.

    Also how can you say the situation today is MORE dangerous than the one with Russia in the 1980s?!? I mean, today we're talking about economic repercussions, at that time we were talking about the end of the world, the thought on the Russian side that maybe they needed a first strike before a US missile defense went online, a heightening of tensions in Europe where one false move could have led to Soviet tanks rolling into West Berlin. I think what we're dealing with now is peanuts compared to then!

    Also don't forget how much stuff China sells in the US, that is a powerful reason for them to play nice as well.

    After saying all that though, I think probably there's no good answer as to what works best, I think sometimes its a carrot, sometimes its a stick, with the optimum being carrots backed up by some big effing sticks!:D
     
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    I can agree with that. From what I have seen and what I now see, the current administration and the ramblings of Senator McCain do not appear to have any carrots in their shopping bag.

    I guess one could say that this comment by I believe was Teddy Roosevelt really makes a lot of sense, and it is like you suggest a carrot with the stick behind it.

    "Speak Softly but carry a big stick."

    Bush and McCain do not speak softly and just look at where the hell it has gotten us.
     
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    Funny, I was thinking of that quote as I was writing that post. Bush is trying the carrot with North Korea and Iran, with the results unclear.

    Anyway, change Teddy's quote to "speak poorly and carry a big stick" and it fits W perfectly!
     
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    I would suggest that Bush is trying to use the carrot with them as a suppository instead of offering it as food for thought. :D
     
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    Well, that Kim Jong-Il is pretty kinky...
     

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