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  1. Patters

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    This is in response to F.B.N.'s thread about Obama having been a member of the New Party, which the right-wing blogs try to portray as extremist. Unlike F.B.N., though, I have chosen to use an MSM source, rather than rely on partisan blogs.

    McCain linked to group in Iran-Contra affair - Yahoo! News

    The U.S. Council for World Freedom aided rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the Internal Revenue Service, which revoked the charitable organization's tax exemption.

    The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. After setting up the U.S. council, Singlaub served as the international league's chairman.
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    McCain has his fingers all over Iran-Contra... YOu hear more and more about it each passing month.... But still, never enough about it...

    At what point does the Obama camp take off the gloves and get medieval on this angry miser and start talking Keating 5? Iran-Contra? Lobbyist ties? His flight record? His boozing and gambling? His infidelity?

    If Obama had this kind of trail behind him, you can bet the Rove party would be all over it.

    It's a testament to Obama's will power and decency. And he's still beating him.
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    [size=+2] That's AWFUL!!! They found Adolph Hitler living out in Arizona under McCain's house!! No shat!! And Joe Stalin was there, too??!!! How 'bout Mao??!! Was he there, too???

    STOP THE PRESSES!!! [/size]


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    This coupled with the Keating mess and his pallin around with David Ifshin a 60's radical will only provide more ammunition for the Obama folk if they decide to go that way..
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    I'm not surprised you'd defend McCain's affiliation with a group founded by Nazi sympathizers, but I am surprised you'd admit it.
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    Please, take your medications and come back tomorrow. You are ill. Anybody who doesn't cave immediately to the left is a "Nazi, fascist pig", we've heard it all before. What a queer notion.

    Every time somebody asks a serious question about Obama -- like what's up with his relationship with Marxist Saul Alinsky, with terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorhn, with his deranged preacher, Jeremiah "God DAMN America" Wright -- the lefties get all in a panic and run out to create dirt about McCain and Palin. Really pathetic. Children do that sort of thing. And you want the America to believe that is "maturity", that is the fitness to do the job of president???

    :wha: Please.

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    Oh, Fog, your double standard is disgraceful:
    - Obama/Ayers
    - Ayers committed his crimes when Obama was 8 years old
    - Ayers and Obama sat on a nonprofit committee funded by Walter Annenberg's Foundation
    - Walter Annenberg was a Republican ambassador to the UK, was good friends to the Reagans, even introduced them to Maggie Thatcher
    - The Committee that Obama and Ayers sat on included Republicans, business people and others.

    - McCain/US Council for World Freedom
    - This group was founded by Nazi sympathizers
    - It broke the law with the Iran/Contra affair
    - McCain supported the group as an adult

    I realize Fog that self-delusion may be all some people have left, but what's the point of doing that in this forum? It makes you look dishonest or incapable of elementary reasoning. I don't think either of those are true of you, and I'm surprised your religious beliefs to do compel you to maintain a mature level of objectivity.

    The panic is on the side of the righties. It's easy to defend the ridiculous charges regarding Obama and Ayers, and I did above. It's easy to defend the charges against Obama and Wright, as several of us have done in the past.

    You are projecting your own hysteria onto others. I honestly think that with the polls so promising right now and the McCain campaign making so many mistakes that liberals feel a reasonable sense of confidence, while conservative like you have a tone of paranoia. "He's a marxist! He's a traitor! He's a terrorist!" To me those claims are ridiculous and insulting to the millions of people who support Obama.
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    It's not a double-standard when we have seen John McCain in the public spotlight for the last 40 years, but we've only seen Barack Obama for the past 12 or so months, and STILL the Obama people are keeping the lid tighter than that of a new can of paint on this guy's history!! Gee whiz, get a grip, Pat! Does the public NOT have the right -- the sacred responsibility -- to vet Obama thoroughly, or do we just take Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and Bernadette Dorhn's word for it???

    Annenburg was a Reagan Repubican but he turned that Foundation over without much of his personal hand's on control, almost an unconditional gift. But that does not speak to the relationship Ayers has had with Obama for the past 20 or so years; it does not tell the full story at all.

    Consider this: Newly Released Documents Highlight Obama's Relationship With Ayers - FOXNews.com Elections
    and this: Guy Benson :: Townhall.com :: Debunking Obama's Ayers "Fact Sheet"
    this: American Thinker Blog: Finally, the Media 'Discovers' Obama-Ayers Relationship
    and: Global Labor and Politics: Obama/Ayers Update: White Wash by the Gray Lady? New York Times Ignores Evidence of Ayers' Role in Annenberg Board Selection

    Delusions of gradeur are evident everywhere on the Obama trail: from the arrogant "Obama" presidential seal to his "Roman entrance" at the Denver Democrat Convention, to his "United States of Obama" logo to his callous disregard for the responsibility that faulty Democrat-sponsored legislation (the CRA) has in creating this current economic melt-down.

    As to this ludicrous claim of "Nazi sympathizers", that is the chosen label plastered onto any and all those who oppose communism in all its many groups and expressions. The "Contras", whom McCain and many Americans supported -- including Jeanne Kirkpatrick, US Ambassador to the UN under Reagan -- were native Nicaraguans who were fighting a civil war against the Soviet sponsored Sandinista regime led by Daniel Ortega and his communist mob. The United States Congress at that time was firmly under the grip of far, far out leftists, like Ronald Dellums and Frank Church, as well as Ted Kennedy and others of that persuasion.

    They voted down every single measure offered by Reagan to support and fund the rebels in Nicaragua; so Ollie North and some others took the point to help get some aid to the Miskito Indians and others who helped eventually liberate Nicaragua from this Soviet client dictatorship of Ortega and company. These same left-wing Senators and Congressmen tried their best to crucify Ollie North, but he hit back at them and they never knew what happened. Thank God for C-Span.

    You may label the Miskito Indians and other Nicaraguans as "Nazis" for wanting to liberate their people from Soviet-sponsored communist state, but I think most Americans are happy and grateful for what North and company did. Helping the people of Nicaragua get freed from communist dictatorship saved Americans from having to fight in a war in Central America, a war that would have happened had the Contras not been supported.

    I am neither panicked nor hysterical about anything. I AM concerned that the American people are not getting the full truth about Barack Obama. There is so much we have not heard about in the MSM. Like what is the full story about all his campaign offices showing posters of Che Guevara?? What's the full scoop on the Saul Alinsky connection?? What about William Ayers, the unrepentant Marxist?? And what of Ayer's wife, Bernadette Dohrn, a convicted terrorist?? Jeremiah Wright?? The list is long and laden with questions we need answered honestly and openly.

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    You tell 'em, ferretface.;)
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    If the MSM would cover these issues then I and others could use them as a source. Well ... did you click the links? Can Obama deny being a member of the "New Party"? .... didn't think so. :eat1:
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    I don't think Obama has denied it, and from what I've read of the New Party, using Wikipedia, is that it appears to be a Party that wanted to move the Democratic Party towards more liberal ideals, not socialist ideals. I have read nothing to suggest that the New Party favored workers controlling the wheels of production or supporting the concept 'from each according to his ability; to each according to his needs.' Liberalism, F.B.N., is an American tradition, not rooted in communism. Liberalism has its origins with Thomas Jefferson, dating well before Marx and Engels.
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    As I asked in the spring does Bo have any affiliations that aren't socialist/communist?

    Did you check the speech Ayers gave when he vsited Chavez, especially interesting since it was about education whichis what he and BO worked on together for those years at Annenberg when they rpovided funds to ACORN and other leftist orgs.
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    No denying that when it comes to voting rights, housing, and issues of poverty, Obama favors giving a voice to the poor, but that's a lot different than being Marxist. Organizing poor people to vote, helping them get jobs and housing may well indeed be things that conservatives don't believe in, but it doesn't make those things unAmerican. ACORN has done a lot of good work, but it's true they've done some dishonest things too. That's no different than any large organization, including the Republican and Democratic parties. Ayers is clearly to the left of Obama, and Obama did sit on a board with him, but as seen in another post, Obama also sat on boards with bankers, Republicans, and others. So, are you going to start accusing Obama of being a Republican, too?

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