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    Net neutrality is the idea that traffic over a network be treated agnostically, rather than handled by traffic type, content type, hardware type, or content provider. That's essentially how the internet works now with some exceptions (e.g., attempts at "traffic shaping" meant to undermine P2P traffic by some ISPs), and as we all pretty much know it works very well. The internet is open, and all we pay is a connection fee and sometimes overage fees for all the freely available content and connections it provides. It is highly democratic.

    If it works, why get rid of it? Well, first you have to follow the money (as usual). ISPs have a prime opportunity to take advantage of their position as the middle man and overcharge us and popular web sites. For example, AT&T will want to charge google extra money to serve youtube videos at a decent download rate. It's a classic case of double-dipping. In the end, prices go up for everybody while telecom gets richer.

    What's worse is that tools like deep packet inspection essentially enable network level DRM, making companies like Disney and the record and film insustries very happy. What this means is that they will have an unprecedented amount of control over the content that travels over these networks. Downloading an MP3 or video that you have fair use rights to from your own server at a remote location? Perfectly legal things like this could easily be blocked in the content industy's zeal to prevent piracy (which is really just an excuse - studies have shown that in spite of industry claims the impact of piracy to their bottom line is minimal). They will use musicians and artists to make their argument, but of course the people who gain the most wealth in the content industry are the rights-holders, not necessarily the artists. And this is just one example. Lacking a principle of net neutrality it's not hard to imagine the controls that can be put in place that will limit our access to information.

    Tim Berners-Lee, the founding father of the internet, is steadfastly opposed to incursions to net neutrality. Here's one blog entry. Net Neutrality: This is serious | Decentralized Information Group (DIG) Breadcrumbs

    Finally, in an insult to every person of average or greater intelligence, McCain has the audacity to call this bill the Internet Freedom Act. Opposing net neutrality is anything but freedom on the internet. It's freedom of corporate abuse.

    McCain introduces bill to block FCC's net neutrality rules
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    i guess the free market Friedmanists will just keep trying this in different incarnations until they get it to pass... hopefully, this will get struck down like all the rest...

    con men would privatize the air you breathe if they could... anything for profit at the expense of others. ... it's essentially why we can't stand them.
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    I like McCain as a guy, but this is one of the (many) things that I would disagree with him on. Unfortunately, it's something that will happen eventually I think. We are seeing the wild west days of the internet, so enjoy it while you can. There's too much unregulated free stuff going on, and someone somewhere will figure out how to profit on it.
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    It's like how they tried to pretend Iraq was about spreading freedom and democracy, another farce.

    The 30% who thought Palin would have been an excellent VP, eat this stuff up. Slap 'freedom' in front of anything, even something fascist, and they love it.

    The Patriot Act is another.
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    McCain's a closet Liberal Democrat, I puked after I voted for him.
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    I was just thinking the other day that any time i see something with "freedom" attached to it a red flag goes up. Its a neo-Conman code word that means the opposite and that the rubes respond to.

    "Freedom" usually means that some corporation has the "Freedom" to make money.
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    God, anybody but McCain.

    I mean, what does it say that their chosen senate Shill is a self-confessed computer illiterate?

    YouTube - John McCain Computer "Illiterate"

    This was one of the funnier little side-roads of the campaign... McCain is a known and somewhat ridiculed technophobe who "relies on his wife" for computer-related tasks.

    What could possibly possess the net neutrality foes to turn to McCain for support? And why isn't this a bigger joke?

    PFnV
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    Aren't we told not to pick on senior citizens?
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    The problem is a lot of illegal stuff goes on too, from kiddie porn to piracy. I don't really have an opinion on this as a whole but it's not cut and dried IMO.
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    You just offered an opinion, by attempting to instill more fear into the equation that is realistically necessary. We're all very familiar with the right's passion for fear tactics as a way to pass broad brushed policy that will dictate to everyone at the whim's of a few. Naomi Klein wrote a book at such psychological fraud. It's called "The Shock Doctrine."

    People dumb enough to engage in immoral/illegal acts online are running a huge risk to their own dumb selves, and will get caught eventually. That doesn't mean the "specter" of internet impropriety should lead to the privatization of the Web as a whole.

    If I own a small business with a small Web site, I damn sure don't want to suddenly lose crucial bandwidth to amazon.com of wallmart.com.
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    I was just going to type something similar. McLame doesn't even know how to use the internet, so he should be the last person pushing policy to regulate it.
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    You noticed that, too, huh?
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    I think there are legitimate beefs over pirated content, but I don't think that the internet needs to be regulated over it. Protecting content is their own problem, and if those companies weren't charging $20 for a CD with one good song on it, then people wouldn't feel the need to steal it. The bottom line though, is that the internet should be as free as can be. I wouldn't support any policy that allows corporations, and politicians, to get together, for the purpose of control, and profit.

    I will say one thing. As a porn afficionato (sp?), I did think that the suggestion a few years back, of making all porn use the .xxx as opposed to .com, did make some sense. Doing so to me, would simply make it easier for parents to block porn on computers that are used by young children. Adults, like myself, wouldn't be affected. I'm not sure why such an idea crashed and burned, but on the surface, it seemed like a sensible idea.
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    I think there are two basic ideas about Freedom that occasionally run head-on into one another in American politics.

    One is that people should have the greatest freedom possible, including freedom from want and freedom from others' coercion, military, criminal, or economic.

    The other is that money should have the greatest freedom possible, or, since money is inanimate, people with money.

    The one is an expression of a political system, the other, an economic system.

    The highest good in the U.S. is often expressed as laissez faire capitalism; therefore, for example, the Klan and certain contemporary revanchists lament that the property rights of slaveholders were abrogated when slavery became illegal. In a less radical form, the conflation of marginal increases in taxation with lost freedom has become a pandemic rhetorical ploy throughout American politics.

    Alternately, the highest good in American culture could be said to be individual political freedoms: Freedom of speech and assembly; freedom of religion; etc. These are the sorts of freedoms that only people like the ACLU defend.

    You want them on that wall. You NEED them on that wall.

    PFnV
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    That's a weird attitude - if you think something isn't worth what the cost is then it's OK to steal it ? RW, you're better than that especially as you can buy tracks individually for 99 cents or a little more.

    I'm not in favor of much internet regulation, in fact I'm not in favor of any OTHER THAN when crimes are being committed, as previously mentioned for things like kiddie porn and piracy.
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    holy crap... did a conservative just dispute a conservative?.... everyone else thought you guys were all on message and never acknowledged any semblance of division...

    take cover! this is like the crossing of the streams. :cool:

    translation:

    - RW "steals" music
    - BF doesn't own an iPod, and only listens to country & western on CD
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    FYI....Let me educate you....Real World is not and has never been a conservative. You've even alluded to having your own personal theory that I've somehow switched positions...a.k.a. done a "Flip-flop" politically speaking even though I'm a life-long democrat.

    It's not up to you to judge other member's political affiliation. They are what each individual says they are...in other words, YOU HAVE NO SAY IN THE MATTER PC.

    If you happen to believe people should be consistent across the board on all matters, then that is your belief and only your belief. Anyone who sticks to party line positions is incapable of thinking for themselves and you KNOW this is true.
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    LOL, yes I own an iPod and never, ever listen to C&W. Ick. Of all the things you've ever said about me this might be the worst :singing:

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