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McCain..I disagree with what the majority of the American people want.

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  1. DarrylS

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    Interesting stuff we have all seen before, but with all the conjecture and hyperbole about Obama this provides some balance and reality.. the first is the 60 minutes report and the second is a very damning you tube compilation of the greatest gaff of McCain... this guy concerns me..

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/07/60minutes/main3917681_page2.shtml

    "I believe that we can succeed and I believe the consequences of failure are catastrophic. Those who say just withdraw, then you say, 'What next?'" McCain asked in the 2007 interview.

    "I wonder at what point do you stop doing what you think is right and you start doing what the majority of the American people want?" Pelley asked.

    "Well, again, I disagree with what the majority of the American people want. Failure will lead to chaos, withdrawal will lead to chaos," McCain said at the time.

    "That was not what the American people wanted to hear at that time," Pelley pointed out.

    "That's exactly right. It's not what they wanted to hear. I can read the polls very well," McCain said.

    "But you said it anyway," Pelley said.

    "Well, I said, at the time I'd much rather lose a campaign than lose a war. Now, more and more Americans are believing that the surge is succeeding. I'm very glad of that," McCain replied.


    http://www.youtube.com/user/mccainsnightmare

    A very interesting 6 minutes of your time..
     
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    That is called leadership not just blindly following polls, BTW he was right about the surge and BO was wrong.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    Leadership is not saying "I don't care what the American people want, I'm staying the course because I know better"

    I believe another great leader named Richard Nixon had the same attitude about Vietnam.:rolleyes: c'mon patsfan13, get a clue. If we, the people want out of Iraq, we'll be out of Iraq.

    Why would any president ever believe he knows better than the people? Let us be reminded that the people are the power in this country, not the government. At least that's the vision our forefathers had for America.
     
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    And I always thought it was government by the people and for the people.. guess I was wrong again.. McCain knows what is best for the American People..
     
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    Great no elections just take polls and do whatever the pollsters say...

    MCCain has made his positions clear, eople can vote for him or not...
     
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    #75 Jersey

    another great leader FDR, broke rules and went against the will of the American people, by providing war ships escorts to Britian in the early days of WWII.

    Great leaders don't pander to the popular whims, they do the right things and then bring the people along.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    So you believe presidents somehow have the market cornered on what the right thing to do is? You've gotta be kidding!

    You're "trying" to compare apples to oranges here PNM. In the early days of WWII, America was still reeling from the effects of WWI and had become isolationists. The American people and most of our politicians didn't want to risk engaging in another war and that desire was honored until the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    In this case, the American people SUPPORTED sending our troops to Iraq. Now that we see that it was a mistake, Americans no longer want our sons & daughters in that country.

    The only comparison here is Vietnam. Like Vietnam, we've had years to evaluate the monetary and human costs of our investment in Iraq and the people have overwhelmingly said "Get us the hell out of Iraq!"

    You can try to compare it to a thousand presidential decisions that went against the will of the people, but they'd be irelevant comparisons.

    I think you know that.
     
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    Reminds me of an old Pete Seeger song, "what did you learn in school today dear little boy of mine, I learned that presidents never tell a lie...."

    If this is what he is saying prior to being elected he will deem himself as unelectable..
     
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    No Presidents frequently make mistakes. We have a representative form of government we elect leaders to make decisions not blindly follow polls. DOn't like the decisions.... elect the other guy..
     
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    Last time I checked McCain is not the President..
     
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    Correcty, you look at his statements and record and decide if youare gonna vote for the guy...very simple.
     
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    I keep wanting to think that McCain could be a good prez based on his war experience and experience inside the beltway, and the more I read and hear the less I like him... kinda started with the Bush/Rove fiasco in SC in '00.. gone downhill from there.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    The word "representative" means that in the long-run, the person elected by the people will carry out the will of the people. Certainly not in day to day or month to month decisions, but in those where time has allowed full evaluation of the situation.

    How many lives and how many TRILLIONS of dollars will be too much as a result of America being in Iraq? In WWI & WWII, the answer was simple. We will fight until our enemy is defeated. In Iraq, we don't even know who our enemies are.

    We have far more important issues that need to be invested in here at home. I don't need to make a list, do I?
     
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    Sigh. Another misleading thread. He's talking about one issue. ONE. Admittedly a big one but that's still not what is suggested by the title. Check the polls on which candidate most fits the values of the person being polled, Obama or McCain and check back.

    (McCain wins hands down).
     
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    Hhmmm...who was polled and who did the polling & when was the poll taken?
     
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    #75 Jersey

    The right thing to do is to get the best results possible from the mistakes that were made. Iraq seems to finally have turned the corner. the wrong thing is just to pack up and come home before those results were reached.

    Do you think the "will of the people" was not to drill for oil, close down and not build refineries, close down and not build new nuclear power plants. If that was the will of the people, then it was dead wrong and we are paying a price for it now.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    I think the will of the people since the first oil crisis in the 1970's was "find some alternative fuel!" And what has happened? Nothing!

    We're discussing oil at a time when oil "should be" outdated. I know if we had put the millions into research that were required, we'd barely be relying on fossil fuels.

    I personally don't care if the oil industry survives or not. It's survival is not a priority of the American people or of our government. Who cares if the oil industry survives? I'll tell you. No one if alternative fuels and mean of power made it obsolete.

    BUT...BUT...for some strange reason, I think our goverment DOES believe it's important to ensure the oil industry remains intact...I just can't figure out why.:rolleyes:
     
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    Which alternative is economically viable?
     
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    #24 Jersey

    It shouldn't matter - it doesn't matter to Democrats where their little stories come from. When was it taken ? Oh, I'd say any time after the Reverend showed up.

    Obama has his "wins" but shared values with people other than in the Northeast and West Coast isn't one of them.
     
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    You bring up an excellent point PF13. But when you think about how long we've known this day was coming, shouldn't we at least know the answer to that simple question by now?

    We sent guys to the freakin' moon in the 60's and then brought them back to earth for crying out loud. Let's just think about that for a minute.

    We can send robots to Saturn 746 MILLION miles away and land the thing within feet of it's target. We have cars that give us perfect directions.
     
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