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McCain Economic Policy Shaped by Bank Lobbyist

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    Typical........................

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    Hy Keith, where is your story about your bosses doing business with Bin Laden and Iran.

    What a dick!
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    I think you are missing the point....then pointing the wrong finger, my man.

    when Bin Laden is on the NBC board of directors making policy decisions, we can start talking.
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    McCain was only included in the "Keating Five" because they needed a single Republican to throw in with the Democratic criminals, the lead Democrat investigator of that case, has repeatedly said that McCain's inclusion in the "Keating Five" was more political than any evidence of wrong doing on McCain's part.

    Robert Bennett, who would later represent President Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones case, was the special counsel for the committee. In his opening remarks, he slammed DeConcini but went lightly on McCain, the lone Republican ensnared with four Democrats.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/articles/0301mccainbio-chapter7.html

    "In the case of Senator McCain, there is very substantial evidence that he thought he had an understanding with Senator DeConcini's office that certain matters would not be gone into at the meeting with (bank board) Chairman (Ed) Gray," Bennett said.

    "Moreover, there is substantial evidence that, as a result of Senator McCain's refusal to do certain things, he had a fallout with Mr. Keating."

    Among the Keating Five, McCain took the most direct contributions from Keating. But the investigation found that he was the least culpable, along with Glenn. McCain attended the meetings but did nothing afterward to stop Lincoln's death spiral.
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    How can anyone vote for McCain? He does not represent the people, he represents special interests...

    You think he's the Soldier loving Maverick Leader that will do anything to support the troops? He couldn't even be bothered to show up and vote ( HIS JOB ) on a bill that will support the troops, instead he campaigned... Obama, and Clinton made it there to vote... but McCain? Nope...

    Let's vote McCain in there, and perhaps we can just sign over all personal property to the government and the Banking industry... perhaps life as a serf isn't so bad... Vote McCain!
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    No offense, wes, but based on your track record lately with the thinkprogress lies, I'll believe it when I see it from someplace other than that blog and Olbermann.

    But I see nothing wrong with Phil Gramm. I've met him, chatted with him (and his lovely wife) and he spent about half an hour with me. Having him (and Steve Forbes, who I've also spent some time with) as economic advisors is about the only reason I haven't completely abandoned the idea of voting for the man.
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    Are you serious?

    Let's localize this for you...

    Dubai International wants to build an Oil Refinery in your town, and it will occupy your house, meaning you will have to move... Dubai will only pay 100k per lot.

    Then you go find someone name J Smith to represent you to find the best deal / stop the sale...

    At the same time J Smith is working for you, he is being paid by Dubai in order to push decisions that will benifit Dubai the most...

    And that's ok?


    The fact that this is a PRIME example of bought and paid for legislation, and you are actually OK WITH THAT? Since when does making laws and policy based on who pays for it a GOOD thing for America?

    It's time for laws, law makers, and our government to represent America, by representing the Middle Class, the BASE of our country...
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    And who's buying and paying for legislation now?

    Explain to me why it is we're using food for fuel (corn based ethanol, which costs more than a gallon of fuel per gallon of ethanol). Explain to me why it is that the various governments (local state and federal) make more money per gallon of gas than the people who find the oil, extract it, refine it and sell it. Explain why if cigarettes are so evil, they aren't simply scheduled drugs...and why it is that the various governments grow rich from tobacco taxes. Explain to me why, in 2008, we're paying $4/gallon for gasoline and heating oil instead of powering up with cheap abundant fuel from geothermal, nuclear, wind or solar.

    Go ahead. Then get back to me complaining about Phil Gramm. Or is he the only guy you have a problem with?
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    Ahh so you want to play the "Well they're doing it so should I" game, while the entire time all of it is bad for America...

    If I said bad things about your statement and then ended with "Now if McCain does it like Malborro, then he's cool" then you can try and label me as a hypocrit, until then, you can answer for yourself, and your statements, without simply trying to deflect your answer on me for calling you out as one of the major problems in America...

    Lobbyists, and people who are ok with the Rich making laws to suit them at the expense of the majority of this country, is the worst facet of this country.
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    Ah, maybe because they don't agree with the democrat party on any issues?
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    Olberman----:singing:

    I'd put more stock in what Fidel Castro says than Olberman
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    So vote third Party and start building a case for someone who does represent what you believe in...

    The term "Throwing away your vote" is the most insane idea I've ever heard of... When you vote for what you really believe in, you start to make change, and every avalanche starts with a single snow flake.
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    I am voting for Bob Barr, but I would have to hold my nose and vote for McCain if it was just a choice between he and the democrat duo.
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    I really want to write in Ron Paul, however I liek Bob Barr alot too, and I would love a real third party to rise up and start to wrestle some power from the 2 parties...

    I honestly think the GOP is in it's waning throws as a viable political party, like the whigs, and so many others before it, every party eventually coprupts, and fades away, and the GOP is on it's death bed. It's base is gone...
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    Got a specific proposal there sport? there hasn't been a refinery built in the US for 30+ years. Or is this a Bomann wet dream?


    Gramm is very good on economic issues as evidenced by his time in the Senate. I can't see myself voting for McPain, but Gramm and Forbes are 2 reason I would even consider voting for him.
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    It's called an Analogy...

    Let's try this one on for size...


    It would be like electing Eric Mangini to the head of the invesitgation into Spygate. His loyalties are already set with the people who pay them, how do you feel his judgement and policy will be fair to the people in new england?

    Gramm is on the books for UBS to push legislation to favor UBS rather than the people who are losing their houses right now, he has worked to take down many reforms that would assist homeowners right now... Why? Becuase he is not working for the PEOPLE, he is working for UBS, who is also the bank who has been hit the biggest by the MORTGAGE MELT down...

    And everyone is ok, with our leadership representing big business rather than american people... Foir god sakes, this isn't even an American Bank...
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    Dude--you've been playing down here for a day--take it easy on the "calling you out as one of the major problems in America" stuff, huh?

    And I did answer your question, or I thought I did, anyway. So Phil Gramm has done work as a lobbyist for some bank. Forgive me if I fail to take Olbermann's word for anything.

    Anyway, back to the lobbying thing...did you know Tom Daschle's wife was a lobbyist for the airline industry, while he was in the Senate leadership, and oddly enough, favorable legislation was brought up and passed. Now how did it happen?

    And my original questions still stand, btw.
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    Wait...you want to write in Ron Paul...a Republican, who says he's not going to go off the rez and become a third (or fifth) party candidate, but the GOP is on it's death bed and is corrupt?

    Yet no mention of corruption in the Democrat party...where they don't even want to count everyone's vote.

    Something smells.
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    Oh no doubt both parties are corrupt... Basically both parties are in "Whatever it takes to take and maintain power" mode... They care nothing of the people of the country, only about their own power, and re-electability.
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    What was your original question? Why are cigarettes are bad? they are, and the lobbying on behalf of them is bad for this country as well...

    I wasn't defending one aspect of lobbying while putting down another...

    It all stinks, and it has gotten to the point of "Government for Sale" To think we even allow people to lobby on behalf of other countries, including dictators, and tryrants...

    I was brought up to recognize that as Treason on behalf of any law makers who makes laws to benifit dictators, and other countries rather than ourselves... When was that deemed ok by the American Sheeple?
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    Well, it only took 20 posts, but we found some common ground.

    I'm not a McCain fan. At all. Ask around. I've hated him for years. Literally, years. But given the choice between Obama and a Democrat majority (I'm sorry, but a guy with 2 years experience in the Senate, who's managed in that time to zoom past Teddy Kennedy etc to be the most liberal voter in the Senate scares me) or McCain, it's got to be nose-holding McC.

    I like Ron Paul, a lot. Bob Barr scares me a little. And I'd hate to be part of the few thousand votes that put Obama into the WH, you know?
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    No, my question was about policy for sale...from corn based ethanol to cigarettes to gas taxes.

    And short of a new revolution, it's not going to change. The days of Jimmy Stewart mobilizing the crew of orphans to get out the news are long over. But then again, I'm apparently a miserable cynical SOB (ask around).

    The country is going to hell while the Congress is full of people who went to Washington "comfortable" but come out as multi-millionaires.

    BTW--I'm not shutting the door on the revolution idea. I just need a few more people. Right now we're outnumbered. Counting myself, there's three. Maybe 4 if Harry sobers up for the weekend.
    :D;)
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    You sound like the same people who were speaking in the 90's about the Democratic party, and how it was dead. Where are we now? Coke or Pepsi my friend.
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    At this point, I feel someone with little to no Washington Experience is EXACTLY what we need... And if I couldnt vote for Paul or Barr, I'll go Obama.

    We can not afford to let this country to be run like an open check book for friends of the adminstration, and a anything and any person is for sale mentality.

    As far as revolution, read more about Ron Paul, the movement is only growing stronger, and in 10 years it may well encompass a revolution... He is smart, he is staying message opriented, in that, he can no lose. Election or no election, he is out there preaching the message of true change, this is what seperates him from the career politicians... Even though he mathmatically elliminated he is still out there preaching his message, which is why so many more are flocking to it...

    FYI, Ron Paul took 25% in Idaho a few days ago... The movement is growing, and 10 - 15 years, a Pro-Constitution revolution to return the power back to the people will be in full swing.
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    Funny. You complain about career politicians...but tell me, how many times has Ron Paul stood for re-election? And in ten of fifteen years he'll be 90. Since he doesn't seem to want to start a movement, rather he seems to want to stay a Republican...I don't see much cause for optimism there.

    Further, you complain about the country being run as an open checkbook for friends of the administration, but you also say you may well vote for Obama--the most liberal voting Senator in the Senate. Add in a Democrat controlled Congress and who's checkbook do you imagine will be raped to support that?

    Seriously?
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    Wait a second, Ron Paul also quit being a congressman becuase he didn't like what was going on in Washington, then went back to it to try to change it as he felt that was his best way to make change... His voting record is why he is not a career politician... His voting record is based purely on principle, not lobbyists... He's nicknamed Dr. No for a reason...

    Seriously... you stand McCain, or Hillary next to Ron Paul... you can't even begin to think he's a "career politician" in the sense of those other two...

    Those other three will say whatever it takes to get elected, McCain is for then against everything, and Hillary throws a twang on when ever she feels like it will help her....
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    Preachin' to the choir, sister, preachin' to the choir.

    But the guy's been in Congress longer than he's been anywhere else, hasn't he? Making a difference or not, that still makes him a career politician as far as I can tell. You just don't agree because you like what he stands for.
    :D

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