Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by weswelker#83, May 4, 2008.
I find this to be somewhat nit picky.
McCain has a lot bigger skeletons in his closet than this. This is nothing to get excited about, IMO.
Some of these however would be targets for the Dem candidate come the debates.
Letâ€™s return, once again, to McCainâ€™s flourishing flip-flop list, which is now a Top 11 list.
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as â€śan agent of intoleranceâ€ť in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans â€śdeservedâ€ť the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwellâ€™s debate coach.)
* McCain used to oppose Bushâ€™s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.
* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending â€śdirty moneyâ€ť to help finance Bushâ€™s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.
* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.
* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.
* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and wonâ€™t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.
* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now heâ€™s pro-ethanol.
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
* And now heâ€™s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.
And these are just a drop in the bucket. I am just guessing but I would think that the Democrats are frothing at the bit for their candidate, whichever one it might be, to go one on one with McCain on the same stage.
In NH in 1999 McCain told reporters that "in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade." He explained that overturning Roe would force "women in America to undergo illegal and dangerous operations."
In 2006, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the opposite.
McCain Told Iowa State Students: "I think Gay Marriage should be allowed . . . I don't have any problem with that" . . . after his aide got ahold of him during the commercial break he said "I do not believe that Gay Marriages should be legal"
* Was both for and against state promotion of the flag in SC during the 1999 race. Said it was "a symbol of racism and slavery" . . . 3 days later he recanted (AKA "pandered") saying "Personally, I see the flag as a symbol of heritage."
He now opposes the DREAM Act to legalize illegal alien students (though that was previously for it).
Also, he's violently backed off his McCain-Kennedy Immigration bill and is supporting the "Secure the Border First" bill.
Used to support Social Security Benefits for Illegal Immigrants . Now he doesn't.
Ethics Reform / Transparency of 527 donations:
Was hard core for such transparency, before he voted against it in 2006 (cozying up to grassroots activist PACs).
On VARIOUS news-shows he said an overwhelming and "easy" victory in Iraq was on the way. In Jan 2007 he stated "the American people were led to believe that this would be some kind of walk at the beach; when many of us knew it was going to be long and hard"
And there are more....
WHICH ONE'S ARE THEY JOHN?????
Huge compilation you got there , sir.
"And that's the straight talk."
Okay so much for focusing on the issues LOL...
Well, maybe that's where the work needs to go, to define his positions on the issues that are of any import.
There IS his senate record to go by. Ditto both Dems.
How do we GET these guys?
24/7 predatory news cycle and cheap gotcha bs scares away (maybe not "scares" but discourages) the best and brightest, leaving us with the most meglomaniacal or greedy or power mad as the only ones who can be bothered?
Haven't even scratched the surface yet. There is no way that this man can survive a full blown campaign.
HAH! Wait Mosi, the last 2 guys that got elected to this job were a serial womanizer with a history of shady real estate deals, and a former substance abuser with a record of failure in most of his previous jobs! And they were BOTH elected TWICE!!!
Not entirely accurate.
Bill Clinton was elected but would he have been if Ross Perot were not in the case.
George W. Bush was not elected. In fact, he lost the nationwide count by a half million votes but in the one that counted, he won 5-4.
Nothing like a little payola.
All I'm saying is that the last 2 Presidents had some pretty major flaws and were able to win elections still, and even won re-election handily despite less than glowing performance in their 1st terms. So to say McCain's flaws are going to sink him is not necessarily true.
And by the way we use the electoral college in the United States to elect our Presidents, so popular vote is immaterial.
I would say the biggest F up McCain has going for him, and something the Dems are going to killl him on...
Is he broke his OWN law.
The McCain Fiengold law of campaign reform... he applied for it, and then broke the laws of it. It's his own damn law...
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