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    I wonder where Hankerson will be drafted?

    I wasn't big on drafting a wideout but at 6-3, Hankerson would make a nice target for Brady, in addition to his broader skill set, naturally.

    Interesting about Houston being overrated. Quinn as the #5 DE? Hmm....
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    Both Hankerson and Baldwin will need to run well in order to keep their high rankings.
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    Until he specifies 34 vs 43 - and I think NFL Network shows those rankings - I don't know what to make of his DE and DT rankings. But good read anyway, Mayock is one of the best.
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    From the Rotoworld Article:

    I like Mayock a lot but he does have some head scratchers at times.
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    This video has Mayock addressing your questions.
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    There are a number of DTs that would project to DE in the 3-4 - like Fairley, Wilkerson and Dareus. So Mayock's 34 list is clearly incomplete.

    That said, I have serious doubts that JJ Watt can hold up as a 5 technique.
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    I still question how anybody can watch Akeem Ayers and put him in a top 5 list but comparing him to Dansby? Ya physically they're the same size but coming out Dansby was a much more complete player and willing to stack and shed something I don't see from Ayers at all.

    Interesting that he doesn't have Aldon Smith on his list. Maybe the kid tumbles into the second where he can be taken as a project with upside.
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    If you look at Mayocks top five defensive ends, all of them have first round grades. The position is so deep in talent this year that even the sixth- or seventh-ranked defensive end could go in the first round.
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    DE I agree but OLB where he would project for us I think he's better than at least 3 of those guys and I think Ayers is a second at best.
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    As 3-4 OLB's Kerrigan, Ayers, and Houston are all dropping because projections say they will have a difficult time playing in any gear other than forward.
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    Thanks BOR. Curious to get your thoughts - and others here - on the three he lists. Watt/Heyward/Jordan all - on paper - seem too small. I have to say in terms of play, I like what I've seen of Watt & Jordan, specifically, but it is hard to get past that they MIGHT (we'll see in a couple weeks) be 10-15 pounds under what we look for in a 34 end.
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    Jordan's body type looks much more Patriot DE-like. Watt has Noassatall Syndrome.
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    True, it seems Jordan looks the part and he did stand out at the Senior Bowl - but would he have to put on 15-20 pounds to play for us? That's what worries me. It will be interesting to see what these guys weigh in at in a couple weeks.
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    Watt has major question marks about his weight. ESPN is now listing him at 279 pounds. I also think hes a project and more of a one gap player or a 4-3 DE. He is relentless though and has a non stop motor. He will be good for someone but probably not here in NE.

    The thing that worries me about Jordan is he was destroyed by Tyron Smith from USC. If he can't handle him, how will he handle NFL OTs?
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    Agreed 100% on Watt. As for Jordan, just because he gets abused by a college player doesn't mean he'll get abused by all NFL players. Vernon Gholston abused Jake Long in college. However, Jake Long abused most DE's he faced and continues to do so in the NFL. Some guys are just bad matchups -- look at all the trouble Matt Light had with Aaron Schobel, for example.
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    I am a big Michigan fan and that isnt true at all. Long dominated Gholston in The Game at the Shoe in 06. In 2007 Long played very well vs Gholston again but gave up one sack. Gholston had 3 sacks in the game, numerous pressures, and hits on Henne and Mallett but he played LE most of the game which means he was matched up vs Michigan's RT not Long who played LT.

    Dont believe me? Heres the proof: All three sacks are recorded in this highlight reel and only 1 was against Long.
    YouTube - Vernon Gholston Godlike

    I understand your premise though. Light gets abused by Jason Taylor too yet he usually does very well vs Freeney and Pitts OLBs.
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    Here is some Jordan tape vs Colorado. He looks awesome on this tape. Too bad he never goes against Solder. I really think Jordan will be good in this league but I don't think he has the bulk to play in our system. He needs to add atleast 20 pounds.

    YouTube - Cameron Jordan vs. Colorado
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    Anyone else notice the glaring omission of Aldon Smith on these rankings>
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    Watt: When I saw him at the beginning of the season I felt he needed another year and should not come out as a Junior. I caught him later in the season and he had clearly improved his technique and consistency, by the Rose Bowl I was no longer concerned with his early declaration intentions. He appears to have the work ethic to continually improve his game, he's got great length for clogging throwing lanes and fending off blockers, he needs to get stronger and improve his technique, but that's a given for rookies and he's one whom I believe will cheerfully put in the work to get better. He's got athleticism which BB & Co. can move around in different roles to create mismatches and pressure the QB. I like him and would have no beef if he was NE's #17 pick.

    Heyward: He looked great in his bowl game, not so much during the season when I saw him - which leads me to ask, why? My impression, he's inconsistent. I'll pass.

    Jordan: There is a link above of highlights for Jordan against Colorado - big whoop - I watched that game to evaluate Jordan among others and would not give him a first round grade if that game was the standard. He was working against a redshirt freshman RT the entire game and his highlights were few and far between. I watched him the next week against Nevada, he was invisible. He had an impressive Senior Bowl week, but for all the hype from guys like Bunting and Kiper, this kid did not sell me in the games I watched where he was working against players he should have dominated. I'll pass.

    I like Fairley and Dareus, and believe both will go too early for NE. Watt is a value at 17, as is Stephen Paea and Muhammed Wilkerson.
    -- Paea is short at 6'1", but he's got long arms, is naturally strong, and is still learning the game. While he is light for NT with a Senior Bowl weigh-in of 295, Mike Wright is a quality reserve NT at that weight and I think Paea with some technique improvement could be a multiple position player for NE who can grow into a starter as he gains experience. I also think he had slimmed down in his workouts for the Combine and believe NE's S&C staff can turn him into an explosive 300-305+ player. The one concern I might have is his height makes it harder for him to find the ball.
    -- Wilkerson has prototypical NE DE size, good lateral mobility, he played against decent mid-major competition in the MAC, and he was playing all four DL slots in Temple's 40 front so he's versatile. Watching him play this season he looked like a blend of Ty Warren and Mike Wright the way he held strong at the point of attack and collapsed the pocket.

    Later in the draft, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Nield, Pernell McPhee (needs bulk, possible OLB), Karl Klug (undersized, possible OLB), Brandon Bair (needs bulk, possible OLB), Ian Williams (NT), Jerrell Powe (NT).
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    Great stuff Box, many thanks for the breakdown.

    Good to see an endorsement of Watt. I too like Watt's length. I will be extremely intrigued to see what he weighs in at. If he measures up on tape - and it sounds like it does - then all it would take would be him weighing in an acceptable range (290+) and I think he'd be a fit for #17. But we can't really project a guy adding more than 10LBS, I would wager.

    Wilkerson looks the part it seems. I imagine his stock will rise and at some point, 28 might not be good enough to land him. A combination of Ty Warren and Mike Wright pretty much seems like exactly what we need - a 3 down player who is stout against the run and can push the pocket as a pass rusher. I love the sound of that.

    Some of those later-round guys you mention seem like good value. Granted I personally don't know much about them but if we miss out on Watt/Wilkerson, then I think I'd be OK grabbing one of those guys and continue with the throw it against the wall, see how sticks approach. We have a lot of guys competing at DL already next year, a few more mid-round big-bodies increases the odds of finding what we need.

    However, the chance to upgrade in round 1 is enticing.
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    Hey Box thanks for this informative write up. Wilkerson has been my binky from day 1. I really hope we draft him. I was wondering if you could let me know your thoughts on some possibilites for the Pats at 3-4 OLB. I really think its a possibility we take nobody until round 3 or 4. Belichick might really feel comfortable with Ninkovich and Cunningham as his starting OLBs. Anyways what do you think about these guys and their potential fit as a Patriot OLB:

    Robert Quinn UNC
    Aldon Smith Mizzu
    Ryan Kerrigan Purdue
    Justin Houston Georgia
    Brooks Reed Arizona
    KJ Wright Miss St
    Jabaal Sheard Pitt
    Jeremy Beal Oklahoma
    Markus White FSU
    Mark Herzlich BC

    Is there anybody else I am missing who could fit in our D?
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