Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by slash83, Apr 15, 2009.
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Seems pretty high on Larry English.
Just posted this on another thread, I'm high on English as well: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...anks-ayers-third-best-player-draft-page2.html
If Laurinitis or Maualuga arent available at 23 or Malcolm Jenkins isnt within reach to move up I pull the trigger on English at 23 no hesitation.
English is officially my Binky.
Where's your official binky avatar then?
I think they will draft English at #23 if they don't trade for Peppers. I hear too many good things about him from Mayock.
They have TBC, Crable, Redd, Craig...why do they need a slow 6'2" guy? He's just another body on the pile.
Well, I'd be fine with your first three choices at 23.
The same was said about LaMarr Woodley, a player English is most often compared to, coming out. Like Woodley, English will be an impact player on the next level.
If you read a scouting report on English and one on Woodley coming out it's pretty much the same thing. It goes something like....doesn't have blazing speed but possesses good closing speed and is deceptive in pursuit of the ball. English/Woodley is an impact player as a pass rusher, he also shows good hand technique at the point. Sheds blockers well and locates the ball carrier quickly. English/Woodley is a "tweener" and will more than likely have to find a home at OLB at the next level. Best fit would be as a 3-4 OLB where he can an occasionally line up at DE on the weak side. English/Woodley has all the intangibles to excel as a 3-4 OLB, especially as a pass rusher with the added plus of being able to get the job done vs the run. High character player who is clean off the field.
Great Comparison. I agree that he is in the mold of woodley as an OLB. I'm fine with him at #23. Great pass Rusher and good run stopper, my only concern is his ability to play in space.
Don't pay attention to 40 times. When are defenders going to have to run 40 yards to a QB? Terrell Suggs had a 4.8 40 time at the combine but teams payed more attention to his "game speed". He's a pretty damn good player. Also, guys like Justin Tuck and Lamar Woodley didn't post great 40 times. A players initial burst (getting off the snap) and closing speed is what matters most. TBC will be lucky to make the team, Redd and Craig are practice squad guys but Crable has shown the most during last preseason.
English is a guy that should not be picked above is value. He is a round 2-early selection. Perfect value for Patriots at 34. He brings the heat which Patriots have been lacking-creating more concerns in coverage. He needs to be in a rotation for a year before he gets the job in this system. He has the right motor-alot of power off the edge. Pretty good securing the edge in running game.
FWIW, Mayock compared English to Lamarr Woodley on Path to the Draft this week. He said that English was quicker than Woodley and thinks he'll be a good OLB in the pros.
TBC is going to be fighting NOT to get cut during camp.
Crable has done absolutely nothing who knows if he can be relied on in 2009.
Redd is a major project nothing more at this point.
I dont even no who the hell Craig is to be honest.
Woods is fine but not an impact pass rushing olb, hes a fine backup.
Ill take my chances with English over any of these players, he has great potential something neither of these players really posses.
Nice draft summary article. The growing popularity of the 3-4 means that the Pats will have stiff competition from other teams for the pool of 3-4 hybrids in this year's draft. If they see Barwin or English as their guy, they might have to take them at 23 or lose out on getting their guy.
Draft's top hybrid DE/OLBs: Popularity of 3-4 creates demand
There is no substitute for a quick twitch first step coming off the edge. If a players runs a 5.0 but explodes off the edge and can beat an OT with his first two steps, that is gold.
Why English specifically? Is this not the case w/all players?
Best way to put it, there is functional football speed and manufactured track speed. Englishs' football speed during games is good so who cares about his 40.
I remember the year Woodley came out. He was my binky. I desperately wanted the Pats to take him and Mike Griffin with their two first rounders that season. We ended up drafting Meriweather and trading the other pick (I think).
Some on this forum thought I was crazy for wanting to take Woodley in the first round.... not so crazy after all eh' boys?
I'm plenty happy with Meriweather and Welker.
Griffin has been better than Meriweather so far... and we didnt trade that second first rounder for Wes, we traded a second and seventh for him. That traded pick (to SF) did eventually land us Mayo in '08 though.
Oh you're still quite crazy, but Woodley was a good pick-up for Pittsburgh...right where I had him valued. Meriweather is coming along okay, I've not written him off yet. The 28th pick traded to SF netted Moss, Mayo, and Crable. We can ignore the Welker trade because that pick was too late to draft Woodley, so just using the two firsts: NE got Meriweather, Moss, Mayo, and Crable vs Woodley and Griffin. I'm content.
We wanted a safety badly. I wanted Griffin also, with Nelson as a fine second choice. Beason was the linebacker of choice by many, Posluszny by me. However, both Griffin and Nelson were gone, so Meriweather was a fine choice, once Belichick vouched for there being no character issues. Meriweather was the last of the top safeties.
Woodley may have been you binky, but he was much lower on most team boards. Belichick could have drafted a linebacker at 28, especially with the second already gone for Welker. Instead he ended up with Moss, Mayo and Crable for the 28th pick. Belichick could have taken Woodley half a round early and gotten a fine LB. Even with 100% hindsight, I like his results.
I too wanted Griffin over Meriweather, and would still prefer him. But I was happy to get Meriweather at 24, and am still happy with him.
Woodley and David Harris would both have been solid picks at 28, but we did much better the way things worked out. And give Crable a chance. He may yet end up being special. It really depends how hard he is willing to work to get stronger and fill out his frame. The basics are there.
Speaking of Crable, does anyone know if any recent pics of him have surfaced, or news of him adding some weight to his lower body? Of all the things that are going to interest me going into camp, Crables physical appearence will be right there near the top of the list.
The only thing I've read was someone at a party last Fall reporting on the huge plate of pasta he was carrying. :woot:
Worry about the 7th if you must.
We got a 4th and a 1st for the 28th pick. For the fourth we got Moss. For the first we got the 7th pick of the next draft where we traded down and ended up with Mayo and Crable.
Sounds good to me
As am I, but I wanted the Patriots to draft him. Going into that Draft I wanted Meriweather and Woodley with 24 and 28, and thought David Harris was a strong possibility with 28 as well. However, I'm sure we're all happy with NE's eventual use of that second pick.
Getting back to Larry English. I've noticed a few board members referring to him as slow, and mentioning his forty time as a supposed cause for concern. From the tape I've seen the man isn't close to being slow at OLB, and has a good burst off the edge. Also, while his Combine forty time wasn't outstanding, it wasn't alarming either, and seems people are forgetting he posted a 4.62 at his Pro Day, which is a very good time for the position.
Yep. I like English too. My only question would be does BB want an OLB that badly. Else id look to take the BPA or an OT/OG in the first and get Barwin in the second
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