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Matt Mosely say the Pats have had a strong interest in Leodis McKelvin

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  1. Rob0729

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    From his latest mock draft:

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-5-801/Hash-Mock--Volume-Two.html

    Although I tend to agree with Mosely about the Pats' interest in Clady, I am a little skeptical about the Pats tipping their hand so early and strongly as he suggests. The Pats have had their first round draft interests leaked before such as when Michael Felger reported (before he became persona non-grata in Foxboro) a week before the draft that the Pats were really high on Ty Warren, but never this far away from the draft.
     
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    Yeah, i don't know just when everyone thinks they knew what the Pats are doing they go and do something completely out of left field. I like McKelvin as well but at number 7? No thanks, i'd rather trade down get some more picks and maybe get Cason.
     
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    Teams never tip their hand this early for the draft. If they do it's to create a diversion away from a player they are really interested in. I can't see the Pats drafting a corner this high when they could trade down a few spots and still grab one.
     
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    I still think CB at 7 doesn't make sense. They could've just re-signed Asante if they were willing to pay such a high price for a CB. Unless they thought Asante was overrated, which they very well could have.

    And he's wrong about us lacking speed at CB, Hobbs is our fastest DB and ran a similar 40 time to what McKelvin was clocked at as well.

    I think that in general, it's probably in the Pats best interest to leak out that they have interest in several prospects who will be available at 7, ie Clady, McKelvin. If a potential trading partner knows that the Pats interest is really in Gholston, for instance, and Gholston is gone by #7, the trading partner will feel they have the leverage.
     
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    Exactly, so this translates to the Pats being completely enamored with DRC.
     
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    As long as its a corner, I'm fine.
    My hope is that BBs favorite corner isnt the same one as everyone elses, and we can trade down to the middle of the first, gain more picks, and still get the guy we want.
     
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    I think that's the hopeful and likeful scenario. Using #7 on a CB doesn't jive with the Pats sense of value. Why spend the 7th pick on a corner who will get a hefty contract when we could've retained Asante? Why draft McKelvin who is repeatedly noted as not being as strong in zone coverage is also puzzling given the Pats system. A guy like Cason in the middle to late first round in a trade down scenario is much better value, much less risk. Not that I'm a draft expert, but I'd think Cason is a better fit for the Pats than McKelvin at any spot in the draft.
     
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    #7 pick isnt going to cost 9.5 mill a year.
     
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    Andy...How much will a 7 cost a year?? So 5 years at how much?? Just curious how close that is to Asante money...not that I think that they should have paid him..I do NOT, but I also do not think there will be value at 7 for a CB...a DL (Dorsey)...a pass rushing OLB (Gholston)..even an OT (Clady..possibly a stretch..) yes. Otherwise I think they trade down and grab a corner there..
     
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    I predict:

    1- a move up for Gholston, move just ahead of NY. KC would still likely get their man and another pick;

    2- they draft Keith Rivers;

    3- Sedrick Ellis, or;

    4- they trade down.

    #'s 1 or 4 are the most likely IMO.
     
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    Adrian Peterson was drafted at #7 last year and while I don't know the true breakdown of his contract it was announced at @ $40 mil over 5 years with $17 mil guaranteed.

    For arguments sake let's say the guarantee is frontloaded and the salary backloaded with minimal salaries for the first few years - so you could be looking at something as low as $4 million a year on the salary cap for the first few years.

    Personally I fully expect a flurry of expectations that the Pats will trade UP leading up to the draft. Not that you can trust any of the information but even if Belichick isn't actually interested in leapfrogging the Jets to grab, say an LB he likes, he's likely to spook MangIdiot into expending some draft picks and significant salary cap monies to move up himself to counter a potential Belichick move.

    MangIdiot knows this of course, as he was here when we spooked the Jets to move up to #4 to grab Ferguson - which was likely all a bluff - so therein lies the poker game and bluffs of the draft. Should be interesting.

    Bottom line on the Patriots pick - I could see a few positions as possibilities - LB primarily, then CB or S - but it will all come down to whether BB thinks the players available can be major contributors in his system. He won't waste a pick on a LB if he has any doubt he fits in the system. So while need is a factor, at #7 the Best Player Available factor is paramount.
     
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    Neither will Asante, its a backloaded deal, he might never see the final years.

    So with that in mind, let's look at last year's #7 pick compared to Asante.

    AP = 40 mill over 6 years

    Samuel = 57 mill over 6 years

    AP = number inflated, a lot of incentives, initial cap hit is small
    Samuel = number inflated, back loaded deal, huge initial cap hits, likely won't see all that money


    The 7th pick is going to be expensive, as is Asante Samuel, albeit he is more expensive, particularly at the start of the deal. Asante has played in the Pats system his whole career and would have zero learning curve.

    So if the Pats don't even contemplate bringing Asante back for a deal in the range of what the Eagles gave him, then I see no evidence they would truly think of spending the #7 pick on a cornerback.

    When it comes down to it, even Gholston presents a great deal of risk for the price of #7, granted he also presents a high reward. I'd love to get him, but I believe, like most folks, that they are going to look to shop this pick and move down. If they get two picks in the 10-40 range, then they can add some combo of linebacker (highest priority) and cornerback (next priority) in whichever way they see fit. LBs being Groves, Rivers, Avril and CBs being Cason, Porter, Flowers. Or they can even use later picks for Chevis Jackson and Trae Williams. Truly, CB at #7 doesn't make sense when they can grab a couple of guys later on that might end up being better CBs in the Patriots system them McKelvin, DRC or any of the highly touted guys.
     
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    The Patriots feel this draft is deep at corner. Therefore I suspect that they'll go for a particular LB at #7 or trade down to the middle of the 1st round (if they can) and take a CB or lesser LB. I suspect we'll see a CB in round 2 or 3, as well.
     
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    ah, 'tis the season of disinformation. i love it and i love the draft. unfortunately, it looks like there are 6 premium players and we've got lucky #7. fortunately, it's belioli building this team and not me.
     
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    Great job! I agree! If we go into it needing a LB/CB 1/2 I am sure they are wieghing their options....Fewer but bigger impact LBs, more CBs, but ALOT more teams needing one in the 62 picks before our 2nd. Most are predicting 10 CBs in the first 2 rounds. I can see them packaging 7 and 62 for another teams 1,2 and likely future considerations. Our 1/2 add up to 1784, this translates to a trade back with 10-11th position(#10/42). I have been thinking about the trades and the more I think of it, the more I figure that where we are at 7, teams need MORE picks, and wont likely do a 2 for 1(#7 for #14&45).
    I am thinking a trade with Cinci could work well for both of us, especially if they are targeting Ellis. But lots of different scenarios, lets just take OLB first though.....
     
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    The Pats may have felt that they couldn't afford Asante, Randy and the #7 pick going forward, so they let Samuel get away knowing the draft class was a good one for CB.

    The Pats don't have the luxury of assuming that they can trade out of #7. They have to do their homework. If they can't trade out, I'd expect the Longs and Gholston to be gone, at which point, they'll be looking at Clady, McKelvin, Groves or Harvey at #7, in my opinion.
     
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    Matt Mosely apparently has never seen what the Pats do before and during the draft. Yeah, the Pats are really going to come out and say who their going to draft with the #7 overall pick? Sure :rolleyes:. I'm sure this guy has never played poker either. What a douche.
     
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    With all the bodies we have at db, I would think
    a higher priority in this draft would be TE and G/T
    I agree that linebacker has to be addressed before any
    of these positions.
     
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    We have four TEs on the roster and dozens of Olinemen. Granted, these positions can still be upgraded, but so can the defensive backfield.
     
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