Matt Cassel > Matt Leinart

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  1. KillEM

    KillEM Banned

    :singing: Whoda thunk it. Cassel is doing better than super duper star Matt Leinart.

    And Leinart had better receivers to work with too.
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  2. Patsfanin Philly

    Patsfanin Philly Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Makes you wonder what would have happened if coach Pete had made Cassel the starter over Leinert at USC.........
  3. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    Yeah, b/c Randy Moss and Wes Welker really suck :D

    Seriously though, yeah, Cassel is >>> Leinart at this point.

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    He's also trouncing Carson Palmer this season :D

    Palmer has amazing WR's too
  5. muzz

    muzz Supporter Supporter

    That's not really hard to do..
    Palmer may need Tommy John Surgery, and that team is dysfunctional as well.
  6. KillEM

    KillEM Banned

    Palmer was one of the Top QB's and still can be. He's on the most dysfunctional team in the league and has had some very bad injuries.

    FTR - I would take Bolden and Fitzgerald over Moss and Welker. Fitz and Bolden are both Top 5 WR's. Welker is not even Top 20 if he didn't have Moss taking all that attention off him.
  7. jays52

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    Are you high? Yah, because a pair of big, fast flankers is more valuable than the best split end of his generation and the best Y in the game. :rolleyes:

    You are truely insane if you don't think Welker is a top 5 NFL reciever.
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    So what.... our team hates its coach!
  9. muzz

    muzz Supporter Supporter

    Yeah, I heard that too...
    Some people are just so smaht!
  10. Ghost of Ben Dreith

    Ghost of Ben Dreith Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    This is a rediculous comment and thread. Seriously.....apples and oranges.

    Warner won the starting job in Arizona and is healthy.

    Brady "won" the starting job and is out for the year. Geez.....brilliant comparison.

    If Leinart was in Foxboro, you might very well see him starting over Cassell. The things Cassell would have going in his favor is time in the system and he seems like he applies himself a bit more than Leinart did up until this year. Leinart will be fine and be starting next year for the Cards.
  11. KillEM

    KillEM Banned

    LOL. Welker on any other team would have trouble getting 800 yards a season.

    Pure homerism. I love Welker and he works out great in our system. He's a nice compliment to Moss and he moves the chains well. Don't get it twisted. Welker could not be a #1 WR on ANY team in the league, so how could he be a top 5 WR.

    Without Moss, Welker would not produce nearly the same way he does now.

    You're retarded is you think Welker is a better WR than Bolden or Fitz.
  12. Disco Volante

    Disco Volante Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Matt Leinart (3 year Career)

    Drafted: Round 1 [10th overall selection]
    Games Started: 16 (7-9)

    TDs: 13
    INTs: 16
    Yards: 3,209 (YPP: 6.5)
    Completion Percentage: 56% (214/377)
    Rating: 71.2

    Matt Cassel (4 year Career)

    Drafted: Round 7 [230th overall selection]
    Games Started: 5 (3-2)

    TDs: 8
    INTs: 6
    Yards: 1,348 (YPP: 6.6)
    Completion Percentage: 64.4% (132/204)
    Rating: 84.0
  13. jays52

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    Not to be condescending, but I think you don't understand how to evaluate the position. You're right, in colloquial terms, Welker wouldn't be so great as a #1 reciever. You're thinking of a "#1 reciever" as a split end. A big, long fast guy who has decent agility and can win the jump ball. Look beyond the most simple, highest level evaluation when you look at Welker.

    He has out of this world quickness and agility. Like world-class quickness. His footwork is the best I have ever seen on a reciever. He feels coverages, knows how to cut (read: not just one of those pretty jukes, but an effective cut against the grain, opening another 3-5 yard lane) and he blocks like hell. He advances the ball after the catch, he's tough, he's smart. Just because he doesn't run a 4.2 and isn't 6'3 230 doesn't mean he's not a stud.

    You probably just don't know how important a world-class y is in this game. I'm not trying to be a dick, I just honestly don't think you know how a player like Welker can be utilized in all phases of the offense. The utility his skill-set allows is far more important than that of a guy who can run 15-yard ins.
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  14. tombonneau

    tombonneau In the Starting Line-Up

    No, I think he knows what he's saying and he is right. Welker is not a top 5 WR. Let's put it this way ...

    The NFL is totally blown up and teams are completely re-drafted. In this scenario, Welker is not one of the top 5 WRs taken, and it's not even close. Basing it just on one-year performance (i.e. not factoring in younger slightly less talented WRs being worth more than older slightly more talented WRs) these guys would be rated higher:

    Calvin Johnson
    Greg Jennings (should be a Pat ... :()
    Andre Johnson
    Steve Smith

    Then maybe you can start making arguments for Welker after those guys when you get to Housh, Santana Moss, Bowe, etc. So you could certainly say top 20, but no way is he top 5. I love the guy, and he is the #1 slot WR, but if you are ranking WRs the only true way I can think how (i.e. teams building a team and picking them), he is not top 5.
  15. TheGodInAGreyHoodie

    TheGodInAGreyHoodie Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    We can add to those stats:

    Cap hit:

    Leinart: $4,583,333
    Cassel $540,220

    Cassel is he least paid among the 22 starters for the NEP. But when Cassel makes a mistake he is crucified when Light who is being paid 10 times as much does nobody notices.
  16. Ghost of Ben Dreith

    Ghost of Ben Dreith Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Since you all seem to know so much about Leinart, I would also assume you know the offenses are significantly different and the QB's are asked to do different things?....The Cards, with the WR's they have throw a lot more middle and deep paterns than the Pats do. If Leinart was throwing 5 yard outs and slants to the best #3 WR in the league, I think he would have at least a 64% pass completion percentage....but probably knew that...

    As far as WR's, it is all about position and matchups. I would take Welker as a #3 over a lot of the players, including Jennings, that are posted above. In golf there is a term "Horses for Courses"....same concept applies to WR's. Welker is a perfect...repeat....perfect fit for what this team does with him.
  17. PATRIOT64

    PATRIOT64 In the Starting Line-Up

    Cassel is a starter here and Leinart is not but I would think he wishes he could have swapped with Leinart places at least one night and spent an evening in that hot tub with those ladies :eek:
  18. swheeler23

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    cassel wins here because of the players around him.
  19. PatsWickedPissah

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    Mrs Cassel says "NFW!"
  20. PatsWickedPissah

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    Good analysis. I'm a BIG Welker fan and it does not demean or diminish his contribution to put his value in context. Kudos to the NEP for realizing that their #2 draft pick would flourish so well here.
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