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    Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Immigrants Who Qualify For DACA

    No vote?

    I did know know Patrick had this kind of authority.

    You can be illegal and work under the table, but your kids qualify for
    in state tuition breaks.

    A New Hamprhire resident who works and pay's taxes in Massachusetts
    cannot get this break for their children.

    Shouldn't a legal citizen paying taxes in this state get the same benefits as an illegal who is working under the table?
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Immigrants Who Qualify For DACA

    So if you're born somewhere else and have lived in Mass since you were 1 year old, you should be considered "out of state."

    If you were born and raised in Texas and live for a year or two in Mass, you're "in-state."

    If you are born in Panama and were in a military family, you can run for president. :)

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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Immigrants Who Qualify For DACA

    The children if Illegal immigrants are also illegal.

    If you were born in Texas, you are an American Citizen and you are not
    illegal.

    Some people believe they do not even check the birth certificates ANYMORE .
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    No one is "illegal", that is an effort to dehumanize immigrants who come here to seek a better life.. as Elie Weisel so eloquently said..

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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    OK... Then.....

    The "immigrants who crossed illegally" should not be eligible for in-state
    tuition breaks.

    Thank you for the lesson in semantics.
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Immigrants Who Qualify For DACA

    If that "somewhere" is Kansas, then no you should not be considered out of state.

    If that "somewhere else" is another country and your family has no legal right to be here in the first place, then ya, you should not get benefits denied to American citizens of 49 other states.

    An illegal should not have more rights than someone from, say, Rhode Island.
    If your parents are American citizens and your father is stationed overseas as a member of the U.S. military and you happen to be born on an overseas base, then ya you should be (and are) eligible to be POTUS.
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC


    Again, another liberal lie. Both "alien" and "illegal alien" are recognized terms used by Homeland Security and define the people in question....accurately.


    Alien - Any person not a citizen or national of the United States


    Departure Under Safeguards - The departure of an illegal alien from the United States which is physically observed by a Department of Homeland Security official.


    Legalized Aliens - Certain illegal aliens who were eligible to apply for temporary resident status under the legalization provision of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.


    Definition of Terms | Homeland Security
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    ::Shrug:: evidently you guys believe the federal government should run Massachusetts' in-state tuition policy.

    I suppose it would save money were the states subordinated to the federal government more extensively, and would help harmonize tuition policy with something having to do with airports and the like.

    But it's a bit confusing, since you folks are usually blathering on about states rights.

    The state of Massachusetts, evidently, believes in granting in-state tuition to a resident of the state who fits all the residency requirements.

    Do you believe that the people of your state should be overruled by the federal government, in some bizarre cross-"agency" operation where immigration and customs enforcement becomes part of the Massachusetts state education system?

    I thought you guys weren't even in favor the Department of Education granting $ to the public schools.

    Weird.

    Would we need to pass an amendment to repeal the 10th amendment and cede all power to the federal government to establish federal homeland security control over tuition breaks?

    Eh, prolly fits under the Patriot Act somehow.

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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    This is a state issue.
    I just feel that the son or daughter of a legal united states citizen working in Massachusetts and paying taxes , should have the same rights as the son and daughter of an illegal working under the table in Massachusetts.

    Deval Patrick may not have the authority to pull this off.
    This may end up in court.

    The state legislature would not even pass this.
    Even though most of the legislature are democrats, they would not support
    this because of voter backlash.

    The voters do not support illegals (polls) getting in-state tuition.

    Deval is doing this because he never plans on running again for Govenor.
    He has his eye on a much bigger prize.

    I have a feeling Deval will run for president in 2016.
    He was a long shot in 2008, in Massachusetts and won.

    I do not believe Deval will get the support that Obama received.
    Obama is a like-able guy.

    Deval comes across as a smug little twirp.
    (That won't fly outside of Massachusetts).

    How did he get elected you ask.....
    He is a democrat in Massachustts.
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Immigrants Who Qualify For DACA

    I guess the kids of soldier parents stationed overseas, defending the nation, are actually illegal aliens. :rolleyes:
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    Plenty of people born in the U.S. work under the table.

    Having committed that crime, should they be barred forever from said tuition break, or any other break provided by our system?

    How about someone who is too young to work but lies about his or her age?

    You guys are so wrapped up in this "OMG ferners got a break!" ideology that you forget they flouted the law in one way, coming over the border without a visa.

    You have, I dare say, flouted the law in various ways as well. Should every action be considered fruit of that poison tree? Even down to the actions of your children?

    We're better than that.

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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Immigrants Who Qualify For DACA

    They should just give everything to everyone until the money runs out.
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    What it amounts to is I do not believe in rewarding bad behavior.
    If you are here illegally, you are breaking the rules.
    You should not be rewarded for breaking the rules.
    Yes... their parents brought them to the country.
    They should not get any benefits, because they are illegal.

    Get in line like the people following the rules, and do it the right way.
    Become a citizen, and you can then qualify for in-state tuition.
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    The folks who wear their christianity on their sleeve never cease to amaze me as the quest to find loopholes in affirming a person their basic dignity.

    Whether the federal government says it or not, we as human beings in this democracy should still afford all people their dignity, no matter how they are defined..

    FYI there is no lisitng for illegal immigrants..
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    Ditto if you've ever made any money under the table.

    Right?
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    We're discussing ILLEGAL FERNERS.

    I'm not all hell bent over this policy as much as I would be if we gave SCHOLARSHIPS to illegal immigrants.

    That would be a travesty.....ya hear me California?:D
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    Ummmm...can we not get into that subject? "Someone" might be dropping in on the conversation...know what I mean?
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    I don't think we'd allow an Illegal alien to join this board wistah....at least I hope we don't.

    But if they do, we can rat them out to immigration.
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    People going to college is a good thing. It means that they will most likely be productive TAX PAYERS. It means that their children will most likely become PRODUCTIVE TAX PAYERS. People who go to college make money, they start small businesses, they benefit our society.

    By leaving this barrier in place, we are promoting poverty and bad behavior.


    Yes, it is obviously not ideal that people in this country illegally take advantage of our services, but it is the best choice in a lousy situation.
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    Re: Massachusetts To Grant In-State Tuition To Illegal Immigrants Who Qualify For DAC

    The Third World Comes To America

    Joe Jones & Jimmy Smith the guys who have worked their asses off for all of their lives to have a decent life for themselves and their families are going to have to Feed, Educate and Wipe The Criminals Rectums and now the dirty bleeding heart bastards who are slobbering all over the Third World Criminals want to hand out drivers licenses to Criminals who should be thrown out of the country.

    How long will it be before Some Nut Job Do-Gooding F-----g Liberal Fool will want to start handing out Cars to the Criminals to go along with their New License.
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