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  1. Real World

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    This is comical. What a Banana State in a Banana Republic. So now, we are going to count illegals, who can't vote mind you, for political purposes, so we can save a house seat. Doing this of course would bypass the due punishment we should recieve for our states failure to keep people here in the first place. Accountability people! Total joke. What's funny is they'll surely only count as many as is required to save the seat. They won't tell you there are half a million illegals here sucking on social services, which help bleed the state dry. Maybe if our politicians worried more about fiscal sanity, and less about hand outs, people wouldn't leave in the first place. Afterall, this state is one of the most expensive to live in inside the country. Nice going frauds. Keep raising taxes and fees you losers.


    Stand up and be counted

    By Joe Dwinell and D. Craig MacCormack
    Friday, January 19, 2007

    Bay State officials seeking to save a coveted congressional seat are turning for help to residents who can’t even vote: illegal immigrants.

    A census of the often-maligned underground residents - who face constant calls for their deportation - could be critical to reaching a population total that could preserve the seat.

    “We need to chase them,” Secretary of State William Galvin said yesterday, stressing the need for an “all local” hunt for everyone living here.

    Crucial to the census success: Convincing the estimated 150,000 to 200,000 illegal immigrants that they will simply be counted, not arrested.


    http://news.bostonherald.com/localPolitics/view.bg?articleid=177974
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    You are 100% correct. NO good can come of this lazy man's way to deal with the problem. People have thrown away all their history books on what happened to Rome and other great civilizations: death from within.

    What the U.S. needs to do is to start a new version of the "Peace Corps", but instead of just building a little school or library or hospital here and there, we need to make major investments of skilled personnel and long-term loans to create modern infrastructure in under-developed countries.

    Of course, along with that, we need to export a much higher standard of morality than Madonna, Britney, Rosie O'Donnell, Hugh Hefner, and "Queer Nation". A strong moral fabric is the foundation for ANY nation's strength and well-being; without it you only get flashy diamonds, drugs, and Bentleys all pimped out. Hardly the stuff of a well-grounded society.


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    Hillary wants all the felons in prison to be able to vote, they want the Illegal Alien Criminals and the Convicted Felons because they know they're all Democrats.
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    Yes we must fight against anything that might take power away from the good folks who gave us George Bush. Removing one Rep from the Mass delegation is the only way to be certain to keep this un-moral nation on the road that our great decider has placed us on. God speaks to him and people who live in the bible belt. MA really should have no voice at all. God never talks to any of us.
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    The Republicans already engineered that criminals who can't vote count in this way. In Texas, they managed to convert at least one swing district into Republican by gerrymandering and putting a prison there. The prison adds to the local population with nonvoters, so that a Republican district can be created. As long as our government provides any benefits or services to illegals, they should be counted just as prisoners are counted. It's actually a taxpayer rights issue. As long as states have to contend with the issue of illegal immigrants, we should be entitled to any appropriate tax dollars and other benefits. The interesting thing is that if MA gets its way, I wouldn't be surprised if the same approach benefited red states more than blue states.
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    What an interesting Catch 22 this is. More problems because of our addiction to federal tax $. In our junkie lust for fed money, we have to compromise our laws and the degree to which we "value" people whether they are illigal aliens, prisoners, or anyone else. It's like the drinking age. Sure it's a state's decision what the age is set at, but if you don't go to 21, you don't get the highway funding. Chase the carrot on the stick...SUCKAH!
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    Thank you Wistah.

    To the rest, any questions?
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    Yes, but that's really a separate point. MA pols are dealing with the reality as it now is. And, as it now is, they want at least their share of federal dollars, which after all is our tax money (a disproportionate amount of which goes to states like Alaska, Virginia, and Maryland). To not pursue the money and influence that is derived from our population would be irresponsible.
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    Illegal Aliens are criminals,
    Most all criminals vote Democrat.
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    Illegal aliens can't vote, and in most cases criminals can't vote.
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    If they could they'd vote for the democrats, Hillary said so - :D
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    That's right, everybody. Keep feeding the monster and ignore the fact that you're going to be its next meal. What could be more irresponsible than that?
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    Massachusetts Are Taxes Going Up, The Governor Needs Some Money To Buy Some "Worms".
    (he's studying them)

    This is OK Though Because He Is A Loony Democrat.

    Deval's Worms Will Bring Salvation, Peace And Prosperity To The Entire World

    Praise Jesus And God Bless Bless Deval's Worms.

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    We all know how Patters truly feels. He's a save the children guy by any means possible. He preaches equality, kindness, compassion, and save the children, but when push comes to shove, he's totally unabashed at pissing on any principles or rules he holds others to, so long as it benefits his own personal agenda. Whether it's children being moslested so he can exploit it for political gain, or whether its counting illegal aliens to secure federal tax dollars we don't deserve. Accountability? Nah....
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    Real World, I regard your defense of the Republican coverup of Foley as peculiar, to say the least. Apparently, you think criticizing Foley can only be political opportunism and thus exploits children. From that perspective, I suppose we should always keep quiet about child abuse, lest it benefits us politically. It actually sounds like you're trying to protect the child abusers by accusing those who expose them as exploiters. Do you think a police officer only goes after child abusers because he wants a promotion? I hope that's not what you mean, but it's how your point comes across.

    Second, for both you and Wistah, while it might be noble from a libertarian point of view for a state to turn down federal tax dollars, who would you ask to bare the burden of that? State homeland security? State programs that feed and help the poor? Drivers who depend on good roads? R&D at biotech companies, technology companies, and universities? The people who depend on clean water, fishing, etc.? Subsidies and monies for infrastructure repair and for low-income housing? What specifically are you willing to give up?
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    Save Your Worms Send Them To The New Governor
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    Felons gave up there right to vote when they made the decision to break the law that the rest of us law abiding citizens are responsible to up hold...POINT BLANK...No other way around it,You arent a part of the society..Dont even try to push the matter..
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    ok, wtf does that mean?
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    I though his name was Patrick Deval, he should look in his closet there might be some Moths in there thats usually where they hang out.

    Tell your kids to bring some Worms to the State House on their next field trip.

    I had an Aunt who had Worms.
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    Defense? When did I defend a disgusting, scumbag, pedophile like Foley? That's right, I didn't. Don't get all defensive over your own admitted position regarding the explotation of molested children for political gain. You hoped kids were molested so "your party" could exploit it. That's not my problem buddy, that's yours.

    How about telling the gazebo lovers in Lowell to go to hell? How about the MBTA not giving out full pensions after 23 years of service, with the pay out being the average of their top 3 income years, so as to not run a $2.8 Billion dollar operating defeicit? How about not permitting Massport to waste money so that it doesn't have to give it to the state, and is able to carry the same budget the following year? Hmm...what about the state monopoly, ahem, I mean lottery, that takes in over $4.4 Billion, and gives back the state $800-900 million? Why do they only pay back 21% of revenues? How many cronies are getting fat at the lottery? Why were illegal aliens getting housing before the eldery & vets in this state? Why are we paying to teach illegal children, and to treat illegal aliens? Why do other americans have to pay for the retards in this state, who are so grossly insane and ineffiecient, that they can't pay for themselves?
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    C'mon, Real World, own up to the fact that you're criticizing me as someone who exploits for political gain the exploiter of children, so it follows you prefer defending the exploiter of children. You've got a big problem. Maybe your admitted porn obsession has something to do with it. Either lay off these insulting lies, or I'll just give you the same sort crap right back. It's up to you.

    I'm not saying there aren't flaws and I'm all for efficiency, budget control, fairness, etc. but what you're talking about mostly is state dollars, not federal dollars, and you're not presenting any sort of reason why MA shouldn't try to get more federal dollars given the current system. You're probably against tax loopholes, does that mean you don't take advantage of them when you can?
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    Keep trying to make yourself feel better if you want to. We all know what you said. Just own up, and be honest about it. BTW, I do enjoy watching porn. I'd say 90% of men do, and probably 50% of women too. I'm over 18, and have every right to watch it if I like to.

    Nope, no reasons except for principles and accountability. Who needs those anyways right?
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    That's fine. You continue to attack those who attacked Foley, and I'll continue to defend them. The bottom line is the goal was to stop unethical behavior by Foley and his superiors, and the Democrats did that and the Republicans paid. In case you're interested, that's called justice, which I gather you're opposed to.
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    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...showthread.php?t=42640&page=5&highlight=Foley


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    Of course you agree with me on this point. After all you are a party maroon who doesn't care how or why your tardo's get elected, just as long as they GET elected. I love how the possible abuse of children is something that liberals like Patters HOPE to exploit.


    If it gets rid of politicians who abuse or coverup the abuse of children, I support it. Too bad you don't.


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    Someone asked a good question tonight, and that was whether or not a crime was actually comitted. Was there?

    We know Patters clearly hopes so. Patters hopes that children were molested so that his wonderous Democratic Party can exploit it. Woohoo! So much to look forward to this November! Forget the massive defecits and how you want to reverse them. Illegal immigration? Who cares, we've got mollested kids to exploit!


    By exposing the issue and exploiting it for political gain, we have the opportunity to pass laws and enact policies that protect kids. That's the motivation. It sounds like you don't really care about the kids. Isn't that how this scandal arose in the first place, because of Republicans like you? LOL.
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    Worms
    The Governor Needs Worms


    Worm Taxes Are Due July 4th

    Don't be late:
    WORM TAXES DONE HERE

    "Mommy"
    "Yes dear"
    "Did you pay your worm tax"
    "Not yet dear"
    "Oh"

    Does Mrs Patrick Have Worms?
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    Real World:Of course you agree with me on this point. After all you are a party maroon who doesn't care how or why your tardo's get elected, just as long as they GET elected. I love how the possible abuse of children is something that liberals like Patters HOPE to exploit.

    Patters: If it gets rid of politicians who abuse or cover up the abuse of children, I support it. Too bad you don't.

    Real World: Someone asked a good question tonight, and that was whether or not a crime was actually comitted. Was there? We know Patters clearly hopes so. Patters hopes that children were molested so that his wonderous Democratic Party can exploit it. Woohoo! So much to look forward to this November! Forget the massive defecits and how you want to reverse them. Illegal immigration? Who cares, we've got mollested kids to exploit!

    Patters: By exposing the issue and exploiting it for political gain, we have the opportunity to pass laws and enact policies that protect kids. That's the motivation. It sounds like you don't really care about the kids. Isn't that how this scandal arose in the first place, because of Republicans like you? LOL.[/QUOTE]

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    I don't think anyone would read into what I said what you read into it. All I'm saying that if there's a legitimate issue, then it should be exposed and dealt with. If the Democrats benefit from it, so be it. What Foley did was wrong. The fact that it was covered up by senor Republicans was also wrong. In politics the penalty for unethical behavior is loss of political clout. That's the sentence imposed by the American people. I hope someone else pipes in here. I really think your point is very strange.

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