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  1. PatriotsReign

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    I just heard on WBZ news that over 60% of Massachusetts residents support 2 or more casino's in Massachusetts. Personally, I find that EXTREMELY hard to believe. I particularly find it difficult to fathom ANY casino in the town of Middleboro.

    Has anyone ever tried to travel route 495 south towards Cape Cod from Rt 24 on any Friday from May to Labor day? There is absolutely NO WAY that section of 495 could handle the increase in traffic a casino would bring.

    I challenge anyone on this board to explain to me how route 495 can handle a large casino in Middleboro. I'll be waiting patiently!

    My guess is that fans of gambling really don't consider or care about the logistics, they just want a casino close to home. Being a Raynham resident who likes to travel to Cape Cod on summer weekends, my personal opinion is to take your casino & shove it...or better yet, build it in YOUR town!:D

    I also consider casino's a haven for sickness. I recently travelled to Las Vegas for the first time on a business trip. My honest impression was, "what an embaressment for America!" Such an ugly mecca for greed & wastefulness...but I guess that is the American way.;)
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    Can you say "revenue stream"? That's how 495 will be able to take the additional traffic. The $$ outways the sufferage of the people. When you start talking hundreds of millions, to billions in revenue, you'd be surprised how quickly people are willing to sell their souls, and especially, the souls of others, in order to make it happen. What's another hour of traffic for local residents, when we can put more books in the classroom? More firefighters, police, etc. Haven't you heard the MassLottery ads on the radio? Go gamble people, cuz you put books in the desks.

    Instead of trying to control spending, and limiting the size and reach of government, the pols are looking for new ways to pay for more. Sadly, all the new ways will only mean more waste.
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    That new revenue stream has effectively already been spent by Deval. No talk of using it to close up the budget deficit we already have, rather its more "a program for this, a program for that."
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    The Massachusetts Lottery is number one in the nation in revenue brought in to the state coffers.

    Casinos would add to that. I believe that most people are gamblers by nature. Some more so than others, but most like a little shot at big bucks now and then.

    It is like northern Mass on the NH border. Mass is losing tax revenue on liquor by people going across the state line to buy it there.

    Same with gambling with Mass residents going to Foxwoods in Connecticut. All of the tax revenue that those states could be going to the state Of Mass and something good can come from it.

    Just look at the good that gambling has done to those on the reservations Sure, maybe its not all equal but on most of the reservations that have casinos the life style of the members of the tribes overall has improved.

    Why should Mass lose that potential revenue to Conn. or RI, or other states that have casino gambling?

    Its like prostitution, people are gonna do it anyway so legalize it keep the working girls clean, and the state makes a percentage.

    People will gamble.

    In fact, one of the best ways to help our national debt etc. would be with a national lottery. A national lottery would easily wipe out our deficits and debt in a matter of a couple of years, or less.

    And I just came up with a "Harry Boy Idea." Turn Fort Knox into our National Casino. I can see it now....Harrah's Knox Resort. :D
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    What about the 1,000 cops and lower property taxes?
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    Some people just don't get it. Not with an old name, and certainly not with the new. The problem is SPENDING. You can try to find all the "revenue" streams imaginable, but if you don't spend efficiently, you're still going to go broke. Tell me, who do you think plays the lottery? Rich people, or poor? Also, why is it ok for the state to monolpolize an entire industry? I can't bet on a game, but I can give the state some cash for a RedSox scratch ticket!

    My favorite though, has to be the fact that it's not "a" casino, but it's 2 or 3. Seriously, how stupid can some people be? Why not try to get one built first?
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    Hillary Clinton was asked her view on the subject of casino's in MA and she quickly responded with this: "Well, while over 60% of me is in favor of two or more casino's, the rest of me says there should be two or less. I'd like to add that I feel very strongly about this." ;)
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    Why would someone even try to compare Vegas or even A.C. to a single run casino? Really whens the last time we read or seen hookers, gang bangers and drug dealers walking around out in front of Foxwoods or Mohegan? It's a shame the retarded sheltered life people of this state have turned them down for this long, Connecticut has been making a killing off the two casinos in their state and have had 0 issues due to them also. People can just as easily go to the local dairy mart and gamble away just as much but yet that is ok, at least at a casino you might have better odds then the 1 in a million chance they have turned the mass state lotto into!
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    With record cash flowing in, the government still can't break even, nevermind get in the black. When will people wake up? Spending, spending, spending...
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    There's an easy way to describe the politics of hope.

    They're "just words". They sound real nice, just like Mike Woodson's locker room pep talk did, sometime before 1pm on Sunday. :D
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    Most of what you say is true. What no one ever addresses is that gambling is driven by greed. Gambling & government is not a healthy mix no matter how you slice it.

    OK, so if you want a casino, let's put it in YOUR town Mosi.
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    You're right...people can debate you 'til they're blue in the face...but they'll still be wrong.

    It's not about lack of funds, it's about spending. That's FACT, not opinion. just look at how sick this statement looks/sounds "Let's build a huge gambling casino to fix our spending issues and alleviate the tax burden of the middle class"

    It will not result in either one.

    How about we look at the costs of the goods & services that are charged to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. You'll see millions...hundreds of millions in monies paid to companies who did nothing. You'll see millions paid for studies that did nothing but confirm what was already believed and you'll see thousands on the state payroll sitting at home while they get paid for their state jobs and carry over 5 years worth of sick & vacation days.

    So tell me where the problem is folks?
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    I agree with this, I just want to clarify that my problem is not with having casino gambling in MA, the problem I have is that the polls are already lining up to spend the extra revenue with no thought to doing something responsible, like covering budget gaps, or actually implementing the tax cut the voters of Mass decided on years ago. (that STILL pisses me off pretty good)
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    I would have no problem with that. Unfortunately, it's not my decision.
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    It depends on what they want to spend it on. If it's something that will help the state, or various communities, or indigent people, then what is wrong with that?

    If it is being planned for bagels and cream cheese for everyone to have on a trip to Paris, then thats not a good idea.

    The revenue can certainly be put to use, and it should be put to use.
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    The problem is that Mass is currently facing a nearly $1 billion budget deficit (that figure needs to be checked, but we are running in the red), and instead of Deval (our governor) talking about the additional revenue closing that gap he is talking about spending it elsewhere.

    The other thing I mentioned is that in 2000 MA voters approved an income tax rate cut to 5%. The pols, evidently so much smarter than all of us citizens, have still not put that cut into effect. The additional revenue could also be used by the gov't to finally enact legislation that the people of the Commonwealth already approved.
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    Many time uneducated people (and I refer to the measure) will automatically vote in favor of a tax cut not realizing the implications it might have. Just that they have been programmed to believe that a "tax cut" means more money for them when in most cases it does not.
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    Bingo!

    When your pig smells like poop, you can go out and buy a stonger perfume, but guess what? That pig is still going to smell like poop. It might smell a little better, for a little longer, in the short term, but in the end, sh!t city. :eek:

    Some people will never learn Stokes.
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    They don't have casino's in Vancuver? I thought they did.
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    Sure, and the MassPike will be free once it's paid for. :rofl:
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    :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

    Hmmm...I'm trying to figure out what "uneducated people" means to you.
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    Well, no matter why they voted the way they did, the measure won by 56% to 38% in 2000, and it wasn't just a recommendation to the legislature, it was an initiative petition for a LAW. So it was a binding vote, here's what the state website says about when these laws should take effect:

    "The Constitution states that a law proposed by an initiative petition takes effect thirty days after the state election, or at such time after the election as may be provided in such law."

    http://www.sec.state.ma.us/Ele/eleguide/guidelaw.htm

    The law passed in 2000, and we're still waiting for it to be implemented in 2008. It really is sickening because it is an example not of the legislature just ignoring the majority opinion (which is fine, that's why we elect reps rather than just bringing everything to a vote), but of the legislature ACTIVELY overturning a law passed by the people. Because, as you kind of alluded to in your post, they think they're smarter than us.

    At any rate I guess its besides the point since I'm not pushing for them to drop the tax rate right now, I'd settle for them just using extra funds to balance the budget.
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    I love Massachusetts.
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    well by the time gas is $10 a gallon there will be less traffic and 495 will be able to handle it.
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    Let me unconfuse you. I posted the words in parenthesis (And I refer to the measure) intending to mean that most people are usually uneducated about a measure that is put before a legislative body that calls for a tax cut. All they see are the words tax cut and they dont stop to think that either the money has to come from somewhere or there will be a cut in services provided.

    It wasn't meant that people are uneducated or dumb or stupid, it means that most people really are not very much educated about what certain legislative bills have written into there text.

    Hope that explains it.
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    As I said before, I am not a Canadian citizen. I have no say in the matter.
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    Oh, I think it's you that needs some tutoring. I think people know damn well what a tax cut is. It means they bend over less. I think it's the arse wipes in office who seem to view it as a foreign language. When the people decide they don't want to pay anymore, or at least as much, then it's up to the politicians to figure out how to spend fewer dollars. It's really not that complicated. Maybe they do things differently where your from, up in Canada.
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    I can kind of see Mosi's point here though, because you know some of the people that voted for the tax cut would be the first to start complaining when spending cuts were made.
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    Not so. Many just hear the words "tax cut" and they think that they are getting money in their pockets when in fact many times if there is a legitimate tax cut it may not effect everyone depending on how the bill is written.

    Also when there are tax cuts that means there is less revenue coming in so that being the case something has to be done in order to make up for that lost revenue and in many cases it is a cut in certain services and those services usually are ones that effect middle and lower class citizens.

    Also, as in the case of the proposed Summer federal gas tax cut, again people only hear the words "tax cut" and dont educate themselves to look deeper. If they did they would find out that when those taxes are cut, the money collected by those taxes that should be going to fix and maintain roadways and bridges wont be there so logic says that some bridges and roads just dont get repaired and might be very dangerous and collapse. It can happen you know.

    So as I said and as you didnt seem to grasp, yes most people know what the words "tax cut" seem to mean but they just dont educate themselves to look deeper and see what will suffer because of those tax cuts.

    It just might be the bridge that they drive over to come home from work every day that wont get the repairs it needs and then one day they find them and their car floating in the river.

    That is what was meant and perhaps you could use a tutor. If so let me know. I will be more than happy to recommend one.

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