Maroney - best stat I've seen

[RayClay]

Really? Barry Sanders was considered one of the greatest RBs of all time, and he had a huge number of rushes for negative and low yardage, and a huge variance.

I'm not saying that there isn't something in what you say. The Cowboys won 3 SBs with Emmit Smith, a much lower variance runner than Barry Sanders. Being able to move the chains is good. But home run capability is also good, and some negative runs isn't the end of the world.

Re Maroney, obviously 26% negative yardage says that something isn't working, whether it has to do with him, the way he's being used, the blocking he's getting, or some combination of the above.

Some running back per carry distributions. What's surprising is how similar successful running backs are.

Advanced NFL Stats: Comparing Running Performance

Smart Football: Smart Notes and Links 8/13/2009

Draw your own conclusions. I agree with some. Since we have neither Sanders nor Maroney's stats we'll have to leave that.

 

[RayClay]

That little peak around 16 yds seems to be what separates Adrian Peterson from
other backs. Lots of other curves here.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

Re: Maroney- best stat I've seen

Feel free to get the game tapes and watch every one of the 27 carries, even if it's only the TV version of the tapes, since that will at least be something. Then, perhaps, you'll be in a better position to tell us. Here's an example of someone who's apparently taken the time:

One If By Land: Maroney not thriving, but not getting help

You should read the whole thing, and he's not just shining Maroney's shoes. However, this line is probably the reality that people here keep ignoring:

That's an awful lot of work, acting as an apologist for slim showings. Most NFL backs can produce, when a decent hole is provided. Great backs make something out of nothing... Any RB makes hay while the sun shines, but to say that it's always cloudy over Lawrence Maroney? A real stretch. Sorry.
All I can honestly say is, that I cringe each and every time I hear Maroney's name called.
I do not care much for him.

 

[crowell33]

I know there has been a ton of Maroney hating on this site, but I think that this stat needs to be posted. It was just posted on Mike Reiss' blog. Of all of Maroney's carries this season 26% of them have been for losses. That clearly says that Maroney isnt getting off the ball and hitting the hole hard enough. It isnt saying he dances too much, its saying he just doesnt get to the hole fast enough. Fred Taylor on the other hand, gets to the hole very fast only has 4% of his carries stopped for losses, Maroney needs to start learning from Taylor how to get off the ball and get to the hole faster.

According to Mike Reiss' blog:
The breakdown of negative runs:

Laurence Maroney -- 7 in 27 attempts
Fred Taylor -- 2 in 45 attempts
Sammy Morris -- 2 in 13 attempts
Kevin Faulk -- 1 in 16 attempts

Nice post. The stats are even more impressive when totaled:Negative runs

Laurence Maroney 7 in 27 attempts = 26%
Other Patriot RB's 5 in 74 attempts = 6.7%

 

[patsfan-1982]

1 they need use a FB when maroney run's the ball because he has bad vision for a so called starter

2 every one and there momma know's that when maroney is in the back field the pats are runing the ball so it's hard to get yerd's when the other team know's what your doing

 

[crowell33]

1 they need use a FB when maroney run's the ball because he has bad vision for a so called starter

2 every one and there momma know's that when maroney is in the back field the pats are runing the ball so it's hard to get yerd's when the other team know's what your doing

I disagree. I actually think Maroney is a decent receiving RB.

 

[RayClay]

I disagree. I actually think Maroney is a decent receiving RB.

It does beg the question, what do they think Fred Taylor is in the game for?

 

[Brady to Brown]

I know there has been a ton of Maroney hating on this site, but I think that this stat needs to be posted. It was just posted on Mike Reiss' blog. Of all of Maroney's carries this season 26% of them have been for losses. That clearly says that Maroney isnt getting off the ball and hitting the hole hard enough. It isnt saying he dances too much, its saying he just doesnt get to the hole fast enough. Fred Taylor on the other hand, gets to the hole very fast only has 4% of his carries stopped for losses, Maroney needs to start learning from Taylor how to get off the ball and get to the hole faster.

According to Mike Reiss' blog:
The breakdown of negative runs:

Laurence Maroney -- 7 in 27 attempts
Fred Taylor -- 2 in 45 attempts
Sammy Morris -- 2 in 13 attempts
Kevin Faulk -- 1 in 16 attempts

Maroney is fast. Faster than Faulk or Taylor. He gets to the line as fast as anyone. Then he does the turkey dance. He does not want to be going full speed when he gets hit. It might hurt.

 

[Brady to Brown]

Re: Maroney- best stat I've seen

Alright, but its the same OL blocking for all of the other backs, and they dont have even as close to as many negative carries as Maroney does. Do they just not like blocking for him?

He is being hit behind the line of scrimmage because he doesnt come off the ball and hit the hole hard enough. Why dont you do some video watching of your own and watch some of Fred Taylors runs and see how hard he comes off the ball and hits the hole.

When Maroney is running the O-Line is afraid of him. If you watch him he normally runs into one of them before he starts to dance. The O-Line is afraid Maroney is going to injure one of them. Its like he closes his eyes until he hits something, then he starts to dance. I hate him

 

[klinefan]

The turkey dance, that's a good one.

He's looking for a hole...a lot of times it isn't there. Somehow Fred Taylor would knife through and make something happen, but Maroney has no momentum when there is no hole. It's really sad.

I just think he's not a natural RB. He's the RB version of Bethel Johnson. Talented, but not a natural football player.

BJGE might be the savior here.

 

[Brady to Brown]

The turkey dance, that's a good one.

He's looking for a hole...a lot of times it isn't there. Somehow Fred Taylor would knife through and make something happen, but Maroney has no momentum when there is no hole. It's really sad.

I just think he's not a natural RB. He's the RB version of Bethel Johnson. Talented, but not a natural football player.

BJGE might be the savior here.

Lets see if BJGE does the turkey dance or hits the hole.

Belichick has hit every first down pick. Enough Bill, your perfect run is over.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Maroney- best stat I've seen

Lots of things. Blocking failures. not getting to the hole fast enough. Not reading the D. Dancing. mishandling of the handoff...

don't forget... him being a BUST and all. You gotta mention that.

 

[letekro]

Re: Maroney- best stat I've seen

don't forget... him being a BUST and all. You gotta mention that.

I'm not sure what is says about you when you have an irrational hatred for one of your OWN team's players.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Maroney is no longer an explosive runner ... fast but not explosive. The injuries took their toll ... either he learns to run differently or he'll be a #3 somewhere playing for $1 million a year.

Maroney was at his best cutting back against the grain ... he used to change direction by just swiveling his hips ... he can't do it like he used to. He has to turn his entire body to change direction and that is too slow for todays NFL.

Enough of the Maroney threads and the Maroney secrets. The guy has had too many injuries ... it happens. he was a great runner and now he's a bit better than average ... maybe. Bring on the hate.

 

[mayoclinic]

That little peak around 16 yds seems to be what separates Adrian Peterson from
other backs. Lots of other curves here.

That's a really interesting graph, and suggests that what separates the Adrian Peterson's from the average NFL running back is not that much. Those little peaks that you suggest differentiate him occurred on less than 2% of carries.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Maroney- best stat I've seen

I'm not sure what is says about you when you have an irrational hatred for one of your OWN team's players.

a lot of ppl say he is a solid runner..... HE IS NOT. So many ppl defend him and I do not understand why?

 

[HarkDawg]

[quote="IcyPatriot, post: 1543455"]
   Enough of the Maroney threads and the Maroney secrets.  The guy has had too many injuries ... it happens.  he was a great runner and now he's a bit better than average ... maybe.  Bring on the hate.[/QUOTE]

ICE COLD - I love it. :singing:

 

[eagle eye]

Can one of you geniuses that is dishing LoMo give me stats for a successful running back in the NFL who does not have a lead blocker?

I'd be very interested to hear from one of you making a decent contribution instead of spouting rubbish.

 

[HarkDawg]

Can one of you geniuses that is dishing LoMo give me stats for a successful running back in the NFL who does not have a lead blocker?

I'd be very interested to hear from one of you making a decent contribution instead of spouting rubbish.

the only thing rubbish here was "Eagle Eye" the movie.

 

[HarkDawg]

i'll give you a stat of "solid production"


Player Team
Yds

Att

Avg

TDs

Long
LaDainian Tomlinson SD
1815

348

5.2

28

85
Larry Johnson KC
1789

416

4.3

17

47
Frank Gore SF
1695

312

5.4

8

72
Tiki Barber NYG
1662

327

5.1

5

55
Steven Jackson STL
1528

346

4.4

13

59
Willie Parker PIT
1494

337

4.4

13

76
Rudi Johnson CIN
1309

341

3.8

12

22
Brian Westbrook PHI
1217

240

5.1

7

71
Chester Taylor MIN
1216

303

4.0

6

95
Travis Henry TEN
1211

270

4.5

7

70
Thomas Jones CHI
1210

296

4.1

6

30
Edgerrin James ARI
1159

337

3.4

6

18
Ladell Betts WAS
1154

245

4.7

4

26
Fred Taylor JAC
1146

231

5.0

5

76
Warrick Dunn ATL
1140

286

4.0

4

90
Jamal Lewis BAL
1132

314

3.6

9

52
Julius Jones DAL
1084

267

4.1

4

77
Joseph Addai IND
1081

226

4.8

7

41
Ahman Green GB
1059

266

4.0

5

70
Deuce McAllister NO
1057

244

4.3

10

57
Tatum Bell DEN
1025

233

4.4

2

51
Ronnie Brown MIA
1008

241

4.2

5

47
Willis McGahee BUF
990

259

3.8

6

57
Maurice Jones-Drew JAC
941

166

5.7

13

74
DeShaun Foster CAR
897

227

4.0

3

43
Shaun Alexander SEA
896

252

3.6

7

33
Corey Dillon NE
812

199

4.1

13

50
Cadillac Williams TB
798

225

3.5

1

38
Reuben Droughns CLE
758

220

3.4

4