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  1. patriotscpfc

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    From Reiss's blog:
    Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Maroney bashers.

    Here is the link to the article.

    Which AFC East RBs grind it out best? - AFC East Blog - ESPN
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    I'm a Maroney supporter but I just have to chuckle at him being labeled the best at anything of the AFC East RB's
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    I'd rather kick out Taylor and Morris so that Mass General has some spare beds in September.

    Maroney is going nowhere.
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    Thank you! Just what I needed to pick up a boring Good Friday at work!

    To call those of us who see Maroney for he is (a mediocre, second- or third- tier NFL running back on his BEST day) "Maroney Bashers" suggests we want the kid to perform poorly.

    I want the kid to be the next Gale Sayers, fahchrissakes, but he just keeps letting me down.

    He's closer to the next Leo Sayer! In fact, as he approaches the line, I wonder if he is actually singing the words to leo's big hit, "You Make Me Feel LIke Dancing"!

    Opportunity after opportunity passes him by and he is still the same vanilla runner he has always been.

    HE IS NOT AN NFL EVERY-DOWN BACK. Period.

    Defend him all you want, but just do me a favor first - WATCH HIM PLAY!

    And if you still think he is the "best" anything, then I guess your delusion runs deeper than we all thought!
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    Maroney isn't going anywhere.
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    I actually like LM but best goal line back?? He fumbles way too much at the goal line.
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    Throwing stats aside, I'd take Ronnie Brown as my goal-line back any day of the week. In my opinion, he's the best goal-line back in the division.
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    Really? How many times has he fumbled at the goal line in his career?
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    No, it suggests you ignore the evidence and production, and fo rsome reason known only to yourselves, continue to insist that 3.2 ypc Morris gets more yards per carry than 3.9 ypc Maroney, Plus Moroney is being used as the short-yardage back (you can't gain 3 yards on 3rd and 1) and Morris is used on draw plays where the average carry is much higher.

    I don't understand it, it defies logic, but there it is.

    Keep Morris, keep BJGE, cut Maroney. None so blind as those who will not see.
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    So it's Maroney's fault that he's not Gale Sayers 2.0, not your fault for having a stupidly unreasonable expectation?
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    Actually, I don't think we should cut Maroney, I think we should accept him for what he is - a change of pace guy. decent hands...a possible replacement for Kevin Faulk (although no one can 'replace" Kevin...he has been one productive back for us!)

    Then, once you finally accept Maroney, you can go out and get yourself a REAL every-down back, something this team has not has since Corey Dillon retired.

    Morris, Green-Ellis? Backups, in my opinion.
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    Come on, accept the link to the joke, will you please?

    Gale Sayers? / Leo Sayer?

    You Make Feel Like Dancing? / Maroney Dancing Behind the Line WHile Holes Close?


    Do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you?!?!?


    (Wait. Do you even know who Leo Sayer is?)
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    What? Are you referring to the kick pass to Logan Mankins in the AFCCG? That play was sweet. Perfectly executed just like McDaniels drew it up.
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    Just when you thought it was safe to trust stats... this is almost funny (we laugh so we don't have to cry...)

    Maroney is not terrible but he is not great either, middle of the road, dime a dozen NFL player. Combine average player with a lot of fumbles plus poor blocking and you get a guy who gets benched.

    He will be in NE next year in a rotation, expect 800 yards, 6 TDs.
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    That is ALL I am saying, and all I have EVER said.

    Maroney is not an every-down, trust-your-team-to-the-guy kind of running back.

    He is a backup or a 3rd down/change-up guy.

    We need the MAIN GUY and he is not currently on the roster!
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    "Maroney scored eight goal-line touchdowns, 1.65 more than the decade average would suggest. That was the division's best differential. Maroney also converted three more first downs than the average in short-yardage situations, third-best in the AFC East."

    Just what are you pounding your chest about? First off last time I checked the AFC East only consists of four teams and he was tops in one catergory and 3rd out of 4 in another. Secondly how does goal line TD's average qualify him as a better back than others. Was it because he had more attempts, field position, a QB where other teams had to look out for the pass or is it because he didn't run it in from the 15 or 20 yard line? I'd take any of last years AFC east starters over Maroney as well as some of the backups (Ricky Williams, Leon Washington) for sure. Sabermetric geeks have done a good job of ruining baseball let's keep them out of football where they have almost no relevance.
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    you can't score a fraction of a td, so he was essentially tied with ricky williams for the #2 spot on the list at +25% production over expectations.

    fred taylor was actually best at ~+100% production over expectations ---- 4x better than either maroney or williams.
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    Just to point out what should have been obvious:

    You ignored that part when you were bolding the second portion of the sentence. If you take it just by the numbers, he was better than average in short yardage situations and better than average in goal line situations (and best in the AFCE in goal line situations). Given that the division featured Brown/Williams, Jones and Lynch as the running back competition, those numbers are good things.
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    I was very happy with Maroney's running style in the second half of the season. He ran like that against San Diego in 2007, then regressed.

    Whether that was because of shoulder problems, or other reasons, I would be ecstatic if he kept up his hard running style especially since he has tremendous upside if he forces teams to stack the middle, since he's a great open field runner.

    Of course, a full season of that hard running style would be welcome, as well as always running hard while physically able.
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    Off the top of my head, I can think of three last year. Fatal flaw in Barnwell's methodology.
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    Big time fatal flaw, any fumble is worth 20 lashes and if it is inside the opponent 5 yard line it should be immediate death...

    Don't forget (I tried to forget) the 2007 AFC Championship.... Fumbles Maroney coughed it up in that game too.
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    Maroney's career is longer than just one season.
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    "Maroney also converted three more first downs than the average in short-yardage situations, third-best in the AFC East."

    But couldn't that just be because of more attempts? Regardless just because he may have statisically better in one or two categories in a group that is only limited to the AFC East is not really enough evidence to go around pounding your chest about. It is just too narrow of a category for it to really mean anything.
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    Look, I've been as big a Maroney supporter as anybody here, but after his string of huge, game-changing fumbles - and the history of it dating back to the 2006 AFCCG [which fortunately, we recovered] - how can he be trusted along the goal-line? Or in any high-leverage situation?

    And it's not just fumbles. 3rd & 1 on the first possession coming out of halftime in SB42, if he picks up that yard, I guarantee its an entirely different ballgame. I can't think of one clutch play this guy has made, yet time after time, big situations, he's failed.

    So, I'm sorry - he is a decent running back who flashes greatness. He was not worth the investment of the 1st pick. It would be great if he learned pass protection skills and pass receiving skills that would allow him to take advantage of his open field abilities, but that hasn't happened yet, and last we saw him, he was letting Brady get destroyed by Ray Lewis.

    I'm generally optimistic about the Pats, and about Maroney, but there really isn't much to be excited about in terms of his long-term stance with the team.
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    How is "average" only the AFCE? The problem here is that you didn't read the linked article, yet you're still commenting on this.

    There are holes in the analysis, as Dryheat was pointing to in his incomplete response to my earlier question (I asked for career numbers in response to a poster's comment; Dryheat only pointed to last season), but the holes aren't what you're pointing to.
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    Facts and averages be damned! I've seen him play and the best complement I can give him is he's wildly inconsistent. Next thing you know they'll be saying Trent Edwards had a better year than Brady through a comparison via some ridiculous scale. BS.
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    Obviously Maroney cares a great deal, works hard and says all the right things. I've been rooting for him since we drafted him. At this point a change of scenery might be best for him and us. As hard as that is to say. I don't see him being resigned by us. Hoping if he plays one more year for us he does well.......
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