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Mankins is going to be expensive for a long time

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  1. betterthanthealternative

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    Signing Bonus: $20 million ($4M cap allocation for each of the first five years)

    Salaries:
    2011: $1.5 million
    2012: $3 million
    2013: $6 million
    2014: $6.5 million
    2015: $7 million
    2016: $7 million

    I hope for everyone's sake that his ability doesn't erode much as he enters the last years of this deal. If Brady retires at some point during this period, we could have a guard as the most highly paid guy on the team.

    On Guard: Mankins' Millions | National Football Post
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    When you have the best, you pay the most.. imo Mankins is worth every penny, excellent example, last years offense before and after he reported.

    If Brady retires, someone else will ascend to the top of the financial rung.. otoh it is not a bad thing that home grown talent in the trenches is highest paid.

    It is also predicted that there will be a large salary cap increase in 2014, the next time they renegotiate the TV contract.. so his salary may not be that huge.
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    Introducing.......... the 'Evil Twin' of the 'Patriots don't pay thread'.

    "The Patriots overpay!111!!11!"
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    Well, I look at it like this: IF Brady isn't there for whatever reason, I am very content with having a well-paid and well-trained, experienced line in front of whomever is taking the snap. :cool:
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    The contract also factored in that he was underpaid last season some are forgetting this.
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    The thread is just an observation, and a hope that he plays well. There's nothing there to suggest that I think he's overpaid.
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    Yeah, I think this is a part of it, although given the portion of the money is back-ended, I hope he's around to earn it all to fully make up for that.
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    he's one of the best players on our team and one of the best linemen in the league.

    i'd rather have him on our team(probably cheaper than elsewhere) instead of playing for another team or maybe even a contender.
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    If he erodes in the final two seasons of his deal his dead cap is entirely manageable at $4M vs. $14M in remaining salaries... Or if they chose to reduce his double digit cap hits in 2013-2014 by adding $4M or more in converted prorated salaries to his backend amortization. That final year has no existing amortization.

    You could also make a case for spin purposes over the long haul that Mankins over the same 7 year contract span as Evans didn't total or average as much (because he played under the tender, and a reduced one at that, during the first year of Evans 7 year deal).

    You can always find a way to spin or structure or manage a contract to rationalize it suits one or more legit purposes. He's certainly a Patriot for the next 4 years and can be one for the next 6 years if he remains a top performer and continues to represent value. If not, sayonara could loom in either 2015 or 2016.

    Brady's deal as an alternate approach example is light on signing bonus but heavy on rolling guarantees for everything from roster bonuses to workout bonuses to season salaries that begin to lock in not only for skill and injury but for cap concerns earlier and earlier making his 4 year extension all but fully guaranteed. An indication they expect him to complete it, and a hint that they would have no trouble extending it by prepaying him some of what is guranteed $$ either way...;)

    I do find it odd that Brandt keeps focusing on signing bonus as cash over cap as if it is some new wrinkle to the CBA. It has always been allowed, always been used or abused, and only fell out of favor a tad of late because of the Vick and Lelie rulings and several have nots choosing to rely on the cap to pay guaranteed money they didn't have the cash to cover via signing bonus. The owners now have clear cut recovery language concerning signing and other bonus nailed down in this new CBA. And teams have had some time and will have some more under a new revenue model to get their finances in line before the cash floors begin to impact them in 2013-2016.
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    Idiot question?

    Is it a bit much to ask a guard to play at that salary amount in to his mid 30s?
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    The cap is supposed to increase 50-70% in 2014. If it does, Mankins will be underpaid if he is still an elite guard.
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    Mankins deal may present a problem when it comes time to extend the young tackles, but by then who knows what else may transpire beyond the new TV deals. Either way better to be us than Indy. I doubt their entire OL is taking up much more space than Mankins deal averages and that may well play a roll in keeping Manning viable after he just collected $51M on signing and (presumably) guaranteed option bonus money payable over the next 12 months... They look to be either surrounding old standby Saturday with 4 JAGS or 2 rookies and 2 JAGS...coming off the off season that wasn't and the another pre season Manning will miss at age 35 with a bolt in his neck (which was probably necessitated by the stress of balancing the weight of that forehead over the last 13 seasons)...:eek:
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    Another thing to consider is that by 2014 the Salary Cap is supposed to be $160M because of the new TV contract so there is really only 1 year where he is counting against a large percentage of the Cap in 2013. Also by spreading his SB over the first 5 years they leave themselves open to cut him in 2016 with no Cap penalty.

    We also have the cap room in other areas such as LT and CB because compared to other teams our starters in those areas are underpaid. There are early 1st round OT's making $10M a year and CB's making $8-12M a year versus $6M (Matt Light), $5.5M (Bodden) or $2M (McCourty).
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    I believe those media estimates are as meaningful as their estimates on Manning and/or Brady topping the $25M mark...or your belief the cap would increase this year. The cap will be tied to overall revenue growth and the TV deals will only represent about half of that - they represented even more in the past which is why the cap was exceeding teams ability to maintain it. And those revenues won't begin to be counted until 2014 and they will more likely be gradually fazed in as they were prior to 2006.
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    Linemen and Guards have very long shelf lives. I am not worried:cool:
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    Matt Light is 33 and likely entering the last year of his career, at least as a starter. He's played for 10 seasons. Mankins has 6 in and is signed for 6 more.
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    Mankins is worth it.
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    Good football players are expensive.
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    What I think you're forgetting is that Mankins is effectively going to lengthen Brady's career. The less damage Brady takes, the longer Brady plays. Brady was getting mauled without Mankins. This is as much about giving Brady a bodyguard as it is improving the offense.

    Worth every penny.
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    we better extend Vollmer. Solder is locked up for 5 we will pick up option
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