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    Can we move on? Can we trade his rights? Do we have to shop around for someone willing to sign and trade?

    If we move on, do we have to let him on the roster in week 10?

    Are their circumstances whereby we get a later compensation pick?

    Anything else related to how we wrap this thing up would be welcome.
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    Mankins controls his own destiny, if he wants to be traded he will need to sign his tender. Until then NE controls his rights, but is unable to trade them.

    How 'bout that Ryan Wendell? Rich Orhnberger? Larsen is settling in nicely too ... and there's even that Connolly kid.
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    I think Connolly looks good and if you look at things objectively, we have about the same depth we usually have at those positions.

    Sure we could use another starter to replace Neal in the future, but we've just taken a position with one all pro and turned into a position that's adequate.

    As Mr. Kenny Rogers once said, got to know when to hold em, fold em etc. and somebody has called Cool hand Logan's hand. Do you like my mixed music/movie metaphor?

    I wouldn't say Mankins exactly controls his own destiny since the option of playing for a top team with a top long term contract might not still be available, who knows?
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    Maybe we can trade him for Peppers!!

    Joking!
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    How long can he hold out? If this drags on to the next "CBA" year, do we still hold his rights, or is he free and clear?
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    I guess if not being able to sign with any team but one and having called the owner of that one team a liar is controlling your destiny, he's in the catbird seat.
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    We already have a Metaphors, and we'd need Hochstein back to make that work anyway.

    Connolly is doing well, BB called him competitive for a starting role last season so things could be worse. Hopefully Kaczur's back gets healthy and there truly is competition for LG. I'd welcome Logan back, but that ball is in his court and the kids NE has backing up the interior slots are actually playing well for this point in preseason. Color me comfortable with Scar's lads.
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    Today, he doesn't have to take any trade offers he doesn't like, that's a good bit of control in today's NFL. With no CBA next season, there's no rules or contract in place to allow NE to control Mankins' fate. He can sit this season out, or so it would seem; I'd say he's the one who calls the shots in his life. :cool:
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    If being able to sit and make relatively nothing is an attractive option.

    I would consider being able to put 6-7 million back in your pocket if OLine play is adequate, to be a more attractive option.

    In other words, I would say the Patriots have more attractive options and Mankins only "controls" his destiny to the extent an unemployed person does.
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    I'd prefer the salary myownself, which is neither here nor there. Logan, if he managed his rookie bonuses and salaries wisely, isn't hurting. He gets to make his own mind up as to when to sign a contract, that's control. NE has reportedly made a substantial offer, if Logan feels that offer was made in bad faith, it's his right to stand on principal and not play. I want him in a NE uniform, I wish him well wherever he goes and whatever he does (within reason of course) and hope this all gets settled so MY favorite team can continue to compete for post-season and Super Bowl appearances.
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    Not a simple answer but basically the rule stating a FA is restricted usually said until you have 4 years of service in the Non cap portion of the CBA this number was pushed to 6 years.

    Mankins has 5 years of service. If he wants to acrue his 10th he would need to be here by week 10.

    Now since there is no CBA for next season it gets trickey to predict what would happen. The two sides could collectively agree to what ever they want and if the rookie cap were put in place the players might want to lower the years of service and regardless of rookie cap the owners would obviously want to extend it or leave it as is/was.

    My best guess would be this would go back to 4 years and Mankins would be free provided we chose no to tag him.

    IMO because the loop hole got him restricted and since it may not exist next year he would probably be wise to hold out the season as we are talking 3mil this year vs what ever he can get on the open market. He will never get the 3mil back but I would leave that on the table as way to hedge my bet for something like 30 mil.

    I am sure this is a whole lot more complicated than what I wrote and I might even have some things a little off but from what I hear this is the jist of it.
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    Where do you get 6-7 mil from?

    he has 3mil due him if he decides to agree to play on the restricted tag.

    Anything else was just rumors and just because the rumors say the average was 6-7 mil doesn't mean that was what he felt he could reasonably expect out of the offer. Not to mention that offer could be weighed against what ever offer he winds up geting after sitting out. So what he really could have in the pocket now and wont get back if he held out would be the restricted dollar amount which I believe was in the 3 mil range.

    Now 3 mil is nothing to just scoff at but as I just said in a post I would certainly be willing to leave 3 mil on the table to hedge against 20-30-40 mil in a year or two especially considering I was a first rd pick who has got millions already.
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    Whatever, I just put the yearly figure we would save in the length of his contract over what you pay an average NFL guard. Change it if you want it isn't a calculation.

    Do we owe him any money if he doesn't sign? Wasn't his tender dropped from 3 mil to 1 mil and change?

    Actually, I don't care, if he doesn't want to play for us I don't care about him one way or the other.

    What's our option is all I care about.
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    Your right this is all that matters but my point is that in this instance I can totally understand where the player is coming from. Though I would be much more sympathetic if would just blame the CBA (UFA rule change) and not bad mouth the orginization so much.

    I cant imagine we owe anything if he doesnt sign....I beleive normally we would take the cap hit even if the money wasnt paid but no cap so no problem there.

    Good point about the money being droped I do remember that option though I am not sure if the team chose to take that action or not.
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    Larsen? He turned in a terrible performance last night, with two false starts to boot.
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    Mankins' original tender amount was $3.268 million. When he didn't sign it in timely fashion, the Patriots lowered the tender, as per the team's rights, to $1.54 million. Mankins has already given up more money this year than he'd get by signing, so there's really no reason to expect him to cave at this point.
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    Yup that makes my point even stronger. There is no way I would risk whatever a team is willing to sign me to on the open market next year over 1.5 mil. The one thing we dont truly know is what was the long term offer he walked away from and what will it be next year after a hold out and not playing or two years from now after a lock out and the above.

    IMO though if the deal was bad enough for him to walk away from despite the pending lockout then whatever he gets even after a year or two would likely be better or close enough for him to feel he did the right thing by moving onto to a team that better appreciates him (in his mind).
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    Really big gamble for Logan. If he does sit out the season and injures himself falling off a horse, he just blew it big time. I'm sure that they bought a good insurance policy to cover this, but I doubt if it will cover his whole possible contract.

    He should make a deal for $4 -$5mil and no franchise tag next year.
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    I would fully guess the insurance would be more than he is paid for the season though and playing would be much more of a risk.


    If logan is as principled as we are lead to beleive by the media and his agents comments than outside of him getting exactly what he wanted from the Patriots then there really is no reason for him not to sit out as he will likely be free when the CBA is agreed upon. Normally when a guy threatens hold out or if one actually went thru the whole they wind up right back where they were that likely is not the case for Logan though so why not protect yourself.

    Would he likely have been better coming to an agreement months ago for what ever he could get when you figure he might not get it for two years if he holds out sure but I think that ship has sailed now.
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    That is where the situation will end up. The only variable is how big the one year deal will be. A relatively injury-free game next week and he settles for a lower number. Neal and/or Connolly get hit by an asteroid and he negotiates a higher number.

    If this goes into the regular season, Belichick begins to get comfortable with the depth chart he has and Mankins has to settle for the low tender and hope there is no franchise tag in the next CBA (almost certainly will be).
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