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    Will reportedly make him the highest paid center in the league. Of course the devil will be in the details, and according to the NYDaily News Jets beat reporter while $24M is guaranteed in the 7 year $55M deal - there is risk being assumed by both the player and the team in some sort of compromise approach proposed and worked out over the weekend. Of course in order for that to happen Mangold had to be on board and his agent had to be engaged and motivated to get a deal done...and they had to be willing to find or consider a compromise that worked for both sides... The JETS also likely were motivated to do this deal to send a message to Revis who is in day 24 of his holdout. They say Harris will not get his deal this year, however.

    It will be interesting to see what level of guarantee really exists in the deal. If it's rolling guarantees again it isn't really guaranteed.

    How the Nick Mangold contract negotiations were resurrected
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    This $ deal will only serve to enrage Logan further.
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    mankins ain't your usual football player.

    he has saved almost all of his money and is already set for life.

    maybe it comes down to the simple notion that mankins doesn't want to be here
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    I think that is a strong possibility.
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    I just read about Mankins being self sufficent

    Logan Mankins doesn't need the money | ProFootballTalk.com

    But he'll never make, in 6 year span, what an NFL team will give him..

    That being said, maybe he does want to be closer to his ranch or some other outside force is pulling him or maybe he just doesn't want to play here anymore.. But at some point, before the start of the season, I hope he's signed or traded.
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    I love impartiality and the "wonderful" PR job you've tried to do for Mankins on this board Frank.
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    I am impartial. just looking at things for what they are worth.

    you as well as many other pats yahoos are the ones who are far from impartial.
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    maybe he doesn't care about the money. you know, there are people like that. maybe he's driven by principle and was actually lied to and decided 'screw em, i hate these guys'
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    I don't see why this deal would enrage Mankins. It should get him to sign.

    The last year will be padded, as all such deals are. This is below the Evans deal.

    This is more in line with what the Patriots offered Mankins, and I don't care what anyone says, these two players are equals in my book. You can't convince me one is better than the other.
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    You aren't impartial.. Far from it.. Your bias against Pats fans make's you very partial.
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    Yes, but maybe it was his AGENT that lied to him and not the Patriots. Did your bias ever let you stop and think about that? NO. It didn't.

    As for Mankins being driven by principle, it was clear from the reports that came out that the offer to Mankins would have EASILY "taken care of him". So, this idea that the Pats didn't try and do that is BS.
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    That's right. Blame everybody else for looking at both sides of the spectrum and coming to their own conclusion as opposed to coming onto a Patriots board and blasting the Patriots business operations and supporters whilst sucking on Mankins teat.

    I've told you before that I'm all for retaining Mankins if the deal is reasonable and fair to both sides. It's not my fault you're an idiot and can't understand that.
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    So its not about the "Money" cause he has some, then why doesn't he come in. If he has enough money than he can afford not to to be paid like the best guard in foot ball, which hes not.
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    if Mankins has alredy made a nuff money then why would he be crying that the pats only offerd him 6 million per year and he wants 8 million


    he has only made 2 and half million per year on he's rookie contract so if he is set for life with 2 million then why is 6 million a slap in the face for him ?
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    Maybe that is the case.. I believe at this point the Pats FO knows his position and are either

    1. waiting for some other team to initiate a call to them (maybe the other teams OL needs to be sured up or someone went down and is going to the IR) and in this case like what you said "he hates them" and the Pats are trying to get max value for him

    2. Pats FO knows they have all the cards and will wait it out.. Money talks and BS walks..

    Either way, I'll be shocked if he's still sitting at home in a couple of weeks.
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    I hope I'm wrong and Logan plays for Patriots again...whether it's just for this year or longer...but I don't see it given the percieved bad blood between him and Kraft.

    Best scenario other than a long term contract...Get a player or draft pick for him if possible.

    Good Luck in the future Mr. Mankins
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    If Mankins were all about principle, then he wouldn't publicly complain about top-3 guard pay. If money is a factor, then it can't be about principle. You have to pick one or the other, and he's complaining about both.
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    This is awesome. Mangold comes to camp, works hard, gets paid. Mankins sits home and whines through his agent and friends and gets nothing. Its a good day.
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    Great for the Jets as well in regards to Revis. Makes Revis and his band of idiots look even worse.
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    Congrats on your new $ deal! PM me with your bank info so I can get my 10%
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    This is simply incorrect.
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    So apparently Mangold's deal is 7/$57M max with incentives and $22.5M guaranteed but for injury only. They could still cut him after the season, like Ferguson, and owe him nothing. No details yet on what he got up front. Personally I think it's a better deal than Ferguson's (apparently they were each given the choice of guaranteeing either skill or injury) because while you can't insure skill the cost of insuring career ending injury is prohibitive not to mention tough to prevail on in a claim. That's what all the talking heads keep missing, nothing is fully guaranteed in these deals. That is a sea change from the deals they are being compared to. Wilfork got his guaranteed money the old fashioned way, an $18M signing bonus in his hand in 2010 as well as his base salary. That $18M amortized against the cap at $3.6M per for the next five years implicitly guarantees he will see the first 3 years of his deal. Mangold and Ferguson aren't guaranteed to see anything beyond this year until the next league season which could be in 2012... A lot can happen between now and then.

    Breer tweeted again that this just proves that the Patriots hide behind the CBA. Bert should check with Brady and Manning first and see what they'd say if offered rolling guarantees...and little or no signing bonus...
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    Explain how it's not correct.

    The part Mankins is missing is that both of the two comparable interior linemen (Evans and Mangold) who have signed so far are better players than he is. If the Patriots realize this, then they are under no obligation to overpay for Mankins simply b/c of some "promise" he felt was made. By pretty much every metric and any tape breakdown I have seen, Stephen Neal - when healthy - has matched or outplayed Logan Mankins the last two seasons.
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    Logan, is that you!?
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    1.) You are welcome to your opinion on those players. Not everyone agrees with you on it.

    2.) Your post has nothing to do with the post I noted was incorrect.
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    I understand my post had very little to do with yours, only the first line had was directed towards your post. The rest was general musings on Mankins situation.
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    Speaking of deals coming today, where is that much touted Wednesday Revis deal posters were bleating about?
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    The Woodster says status quo...but what would he know, he's only the owner...

    I'm beginning to wonder if someone in the Revis camp or someone in the Hard Knocks camp didn't decide to rattle some cages in the hope a groundswell of uphoria on the part of Woody's constituents wouldn't kick start something other than a rumor...

    That mediot in Dallas must be sweating bullets. Although it's kinda like when Curran insisted Brady was in danger of missing the season. Get's you attention.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nson-says-revis-situation-remains-status-quo/
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    More details emerge on Mangold's deal. Andrew Brandt does some comparisons but because of the guaranteed language difference it's really apples and oranges. Mangold can be cut without cost at the end of the season. Evans and Brown could not. Given the reports that the Mankins deal included signing bonus and legit guarantees, it's reasonable to assume he couldn't either.

    Seems Mangold had to settle for an 8 year deal to boot. Apparently Mangold as well as Evans (and Mankins) were required to retain their remaining or RFA year :ugh:, so his average is actually $7.17M in total average value and $7.8M in average new money value. Guesstimates would put Logan at $6.43 and $7.0. So about $750K apart from Mangold.

    Mangold got his 2010 salary replaced with a $6.37M signing bonus and $960K in salary. I assume Mankins deal would have similarly replaced his RFA tender with signing bonus and reduced salary, as did Evans. Mangold's first three year take is $22M or just over $7M per. We don't know what Mankins deal guaranteed or paid out in the first 3 although early on there were rumors of $25M. That is what Evans takes home in his first 3.

    Evans only got $19M guaranteed, but it was fully guaranteed for skill and injury from day 1. As was Brown's $20M. Mangold gets $22M guaranteed, sort of, because in fact his skill guarantees don't kick in until 2011 or the start of the next league year and are rolling over the next two seasons. Because of this structure and the JETS penchant for moving on it is also important to note they can walk away from him half way through this deal with roughly $1.3M in dead cap and several million in cap savings...just saying. Significant signing bonus remains the best guarantee you see half of any deal. Which is why the QB deals will wait. Tom and Peyton don't want to get kicked to the curb or traded for draft picks four years into their to retirement deals when all their guaranteed money is accounted for. They want dead cap leverage to insure nobody in their FO gets trigger happy if they get a little banged up or have an off year.



    Center of attention: Mangold's deal | National Football Post
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    Sounds like a great job of financial negotiation by Jets management. They get a young very good player for fair value with an easy opt out along the years if he fails to produce. No matter whither the cap this is a good onging value to the JETS org.
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